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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    yes exactly my point. there is 2 months to go and this convention will be long forgotten in the last 2 weeks when it does matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    But it doesn’t work, penalising those who excel in business means they just do the smart thing and rebase somewhere outside of the USSA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,057 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    No you are still missing the point although I suspect its intentionally at this stage considering your posting history in this thread. Anyway ill still try explain, the boost from the convention will leave her higher to begin with so a theoretical 2 point drop in the future will be only from say 54-52 instead of 52 -50.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    its still early days. 11 weeks left - give it time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭ronjo


    So he has no strategy yet? Thats pretty amateurish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,057 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Still waiting for Trumps health care policy from 2020, be another 2 weeks ehh?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except it doesnt. There are plenty of countries which tax at a reasonable rate and manage to keep their productive skilled entrepreneurs. They also manage to maintain infrastructure and a productive citizenry.

    Germany would be the best example.

    It just another myth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    but it doesnt work like that and never did - . nothing wrong with my posting history, i challenge the narrative which sticks in the craw of some - debate is good .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So she announced her run a month ago and he's basically spent a month raving. So pretty clearly, whatever strategy the campaign has, Trump is not following it. 11 weeks isn't a whole lot of time for him to change his behaviour enough to become credible. And this week is pretty much a lost week for him so already down to ten weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    1 week is a long time in an election never mind 10.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Except they don't, at least not in meaningful numbers that would make a difference - From the article I linked to above.

    As few as 0.01% of the richest households relocated after wealth tax reforms in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, while a UK study estimated that 2017 changes to non-dom rules led to a migration rate of as low as 0.02%.

    Also , it's not "penalising them" it's getting them to pay their fair share , just like everybody else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Perfectly aware of that, expecting Trump to change his behavior in a lifetime is a big ask. In ten weeks, incredibly unlikely. Can you point to any political campaign for the presidency that became this messy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,892 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I'd agree that anything that happens in the final 2 weeks is more important than anything that happens now, though we shouldn't forget early/postal voting.

    But that doesn't mean that anything that happens now isn't also important. Otherwise you'd have to question why both parties have spent the last century or so having their convention so far in advance of election day. Presumably their own analysis is that 80-140 days in advance is a sweet spot for getting an important voter boost, locking in undecideds, incentivising activists etc. So are they both using flawed logic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Well, it does work. People usually enjoy living in the same country as the family and friends they grew up with, and want their children to have the same or better opportunities.

    Max pay is not $xx,xxx,xxx amount. It is based on how much your lowest paid member of staff is paid.

    Say a CEO's pay was tied at a very generous 50 times what you lowest paid employee is paid (including bonuses) which is for argument sakes, $20,000 a year. The CEO would be paid $1,000,000.

    It they want to be paid $1,500,000 a year, they have to increase that lowest paid salary to $30,000.

    The only limit to the CEO's income is the maximum they can pay their lowest paid employee.

    And like I say, if they don't like it, the door is open. Others will step in and take their place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    I would imagine its basically rounding the troops and good for moral in the party before the last push. i just dont think it has any effect on the outcome but thats just my opinion.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    True , but it's not really 11 weeks though, voting starts as early as September 6th in some States so he is rapidly running out of time to influence those voters before they get their ballots.

    All through September , early voting opens up across multiple States , including big swing states like PA and WA .

    Then you look at the stuff that's going to be front page news all through September.

    • September 5th - He's in court for the DC Election interference case.
    • September 6th - He's back in NY for his E Jean Carroll appeal hearings
    • September 16th — Update from Judge Marchan on the impact of the SCOTUS immunity ruling on the Stormy Daniels case
    • September 18th - Sentencing hearing for above case (subject to the ruling on the 16th)

    Time is NOT on his side for this new plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The point is not that there isn't the time for things to change it is whether Trump has the ability to change.

    He has shown nothing in the last 8 years to suggest he has the ability to adapt. He has one way. Punch down. Attack and belittle.

    That isn't working atm. It might, but current evidence suggests it won't. So he needs a new approach. The last few weeks have, if anything, seen him double down on his strategy rather than looking to change.

    Yesterday he posted fake Taylor Swift pictures and a video accusing Kamala of sleeping her way to the top. So no evidence of change there.

    The polls are not the problem. The gaps are within MoE in most cases. The issue is that what can Trump do to reverse the momentum? He has had his conference. Had the assignation attempt. I don't see where the positive news comes from.

    There is little doubt that Trump will score some hits, but he seems incapable of sticking to any one message and so any bump will be short lived as he creates yet another gaff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    but all that front page news stuff could be a boost for Trump..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    An appeal for rape and an election interference case is unlikely to win him votes with undecideds. Those who it will likely influence are the people who are voting for him no matter what. For others it's simply drawing attention to how unsavory he is.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    How ?

    None of his "appeals" hold any legal water - They are utter nonsense and are re-hashes of the same appeals that have failed before and will get bounced in short order , just like all the others.

    All they do is remind everyone that he's a convicted criminal and accused of Treason.

    The only one that is possibly good news for Trump is if Merchan decides that some or all of his 34 convictions in NY are invalid because of the SCOTUS ruling.

    Now , obviously that's good news personally for Trump in that he doesn't go to jail but politically , I'd argue that a ruling like that would actually favour Harris as she can point to the massive risks of having Presidential immunity etc.

    I don't see Trump winning more votes because he gets off on what is essentially a technicality given to him by hand picked SCOTUS seats - The people that agree with that ruling are already voting for Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The court dates might help him a little, depending on how he handles it I guess. If he leans into his boring old complaints about how the judges work for Biden etc…that likely won't do much for him.

    I had worried before about how a conviction would be spun by Donnie if he was leading in the polls. He could have easily spun it as "Election Interference" and "the Dems trying to steal the election!!!1!". But now that everything turning into such a very public failure for him, I suspect that this line of attack won't resonate as well when it looks like he will likely be beaten anyway, conviction or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    That sounds great, but this is corporate tax, and corporations have no emotional bond to a country. What it actually means is more of the larger corporations will base elsewhere for tax incentives, and that means less tax paid and less jobs in Kamala’s USSA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Repo101


    While I would agree with most of what you have said, I strongly disagree with the momentum being against Trump. Harris hasn't really been able to differentiate herself from Biden to the average voter. Yes, she has much more appeal to the left, but I think this will be at the expense of of the center and center-right democrats. Outside of the age issue, Harris carries all the same problems Biden had, including Israel-Palestine.

    I strongly doubt Middle America will see much appeal in voting for either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Those protesting are overwhelmingly unlikely to have ever voted in the first place to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You'd have to demonstrate that this actually leads to a tangible exodus of companies and I'm doubtful if that's particularly true. Meanwhile Trump has already praised Musk going up against unions and firing whoever he wants. So I'm not seeing any indication that he's better for the future of workers.j

    Plus increased taxation can have knock on impacts in payback to the average person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Comraide Kamala's USSA!

    Ah….bless. It's not going well in MAGAworld these days is it? I get it, it's not fun to be part of a decaying and weird idioligy based on little more than hating anything that goes against your beloved Orange Lummox. Got nothing useful to add, so lets just pretend that everything we don't like is Communism. Let's make seemingly clever plays on old state ancronyms. That'll make it better….right?

    So now we have a USSA? I wonder if that goes well with the Trump's pro-Russia GOCCCP? See, I can do it too. And of course…it means nothing.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That view isn't supported by the data available, which shows her picking up support across the spectrum of voters not just from "the left".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    And how are you challenging the narrative exactly?…. If you do it honestly you bring up valid counterpoints (arguments) to challenge said narrative. So far I have seen little constructive debate from you.



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