Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Hoping to unbloick this thread by posting.

So if it's after a certain number of posts on the new page, these posts may help.

But they are not male right? It was described here earlier that they have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.

The way Rowling dramatically stopped tweeting about this several this days ago suggests she knew full well that she could face a big libel action and lose the case. She made a series of provocative statements against the boxer and encouraged a huge pile on against the athlete from the right wing crank brigade. Whatever one thinks about the rights and wrongs of this case or other cases, the pile on against Khelif was pretty disgusting (exposed to far more online abuse than say a convicted drugs cheat would receive).

She's a billionaire I'm sure she'll have the best lawyers to fight it. Suggesting khelif was a man or transgender would have serious implications for someone living in Algeria. I don't think Jk Rowling did any research and didn't realise there were some real doubts on the accusation, especially at the beginning of this affair, when Rowling made most of her tweets.

But there are fewer doubts now than at the beginning. Khelif's own team have admitted there's a "chromosomal" problem and that they've been administering a testosterone reduction treatment.

So I don't see how that could be a problem. Now, if the doubts were greater now than at the start of the Games, that might well be different. But not once the doubts have pretty much been proven to be accurate.

Rowling specifically tweeted that she was not suggesting that Khelif was trans. And being a male with a DSD is hardly going to be illegal in Algeria. Honestly, the racism of TRAs, thinking that everyone in Algeria is too badly educated to even know about DSDs is frankly bizarre. Or would be if we didn't see this sort of thing in practice all the time from them, such as claiming that black women "look male".

But anyway I think the real problem for this case against Rowling and Musk etc is more that France is unlikely to decide it has authority to judge, given that nobody named or involved seems to have French nationality. And how many of the "objectionable" tweets were made on French territory? Only Imane K even seems to have French residence.

Imagine the precedent it would set to have one country deciding that people living in a completely different country, just because their tweets had been read on its territory, were liable for criminal conviction? In a country the "criminal" may never have set foot in, and whose laws are probably unknown to them? China, Russia and North Korea would have a field day!

still not proven

Only because Khelif has refused to prove her wrong.

Even if France decided it had jurisdiction (vanishingly unlikely IMO for the reasons I gave above), how likely is it that they would declare a criminal conviction on the basis of something that has not been proven even though the person alleging the crime could prove it in two minutes??

Isn't that the worst possible version of guilty until proven innocent??

(If it turned out that Khelif had XX chromosomes, no testes and naturally female levels of testosterone and strength, I would entirely agree that Rowling, and everyone else including me, was wrong to have assumed otherwise, and that Khelif and Lin were owed massive apologies - but I'm as certain as it is possible to be that that aint going to happen. It wouldn't change that the IOC was wrong and incompetent to have let this row develop by not testing though.)

You can't lead a dog pile on someone and then says it's OK because the accusation may be right. There is a period of time before anything can be proven that the individual can face real harm.

Rowling could just have said khelif was accused of something and the ioc should look into it, like an adult would. Not shout out to her supporters that khelif is a man and a cheat.

I don't support khelifs behavior but I also despise Internet bullies like Rowling.

And to bring this right up to date:

Of course the BBC portrays this as a great development. No mentionof past participation in the male category.

How the hell can anyone actively support this, this is repulsive.

That's different to the question of whether there has been a criminal act though. In your opinion Khelif did nothing wrong because technically the IOC allows anyone with F on their passport to participate in the female category. IMO it's perfectly possible to argue that morally it is very wrong for someone who knows they have male strength to get in a boxing ring with a woman. Same as if someone's passport showed the wrong age and allowed them, technically, to fight children when they know they are a few years older and stronger than the people they are fighting. It would still be wrong.