Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

It seems we've reached the point where we're blaming asylum seekers for soggy football pitches.

No. I never said that.

People see their hard work providing a football outlet for youths in an area with a bad reputation and poor facilities. They see continued requests for small amount of money to be spent improving their facilities denied.

However there is no problem throwing millions at buildings for asylum seekers/refugees half a mile away. Thats what fuels a lot of anger in people over the government's actions around the who IPA process. But if you open your mouth there is accusations such as "far right", "racist" slung around.

The owners of the crown paints factory in Coolock has taken €23 million from the state since 2021 for providing hostel facilities to the state.

That a big part of why so many people are angry at how this is playing out

I've heard up to 1000 IPA's. I'm sure the private consortium currently being paid millions of Euro for the site already is delighted with the financial returns. I wonder will they also pay for the increased Garda and security presence needed, as well as giving these extra 1000 something to do during the day and enough Doctors and medical staff to assist them all.

There's a lot of millionaire's/billionaires being created out of this migrant crisis

Security contracts

Maintenance/Construction

Catering

Furnishings

Pembroke Park in Ballsbridge.

In the centre of Blackrock village, opposite the Frascati Centre.

There is also another one in the centre of Dun Laoghaire, just off Marine Road.

And they all have 100's of people in them, not just 10's or 20's…

Still waiting for the reply? there doesn't seem to be much information on google about these centres…Blackrock was mentioned some pages back, 1 person said it was up and running so that must be true but there is nothing news wise to be found…yet everyone knows what Hotel or facility 200+ men are being sent to down some small village in the country, what's the make up of the people in these centres? is it a cosy mammy and 2 children set up or scores of men from Syria, Afghan and Nigeria

So it's families in these centres ? https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/01/03/former-ballsbridge-nursing-home-to-accommodate-220-asylum-seekers/

Not single military aged men from the middle east and North Africa? they're set for Ballygothere

If I recall that St Marys in Ballsbridge only made the news when local residents voiced concerns over cough cough the safety of people moving in there for a fire risk, so it did open according to some…..were single men bussed in under cover of darkness? it's how it seems to work elsewhere

So if Coolock gets up and running and there is say 500 IPAs housed there ,you can be sure that it will become the go to site for those refused /non yet granted a spot due to pressure of demand.The reason this will happen is as it will be the largest IPA centre inside the M50 and the most accessible as well as housing many applicants from the same countries as those those seeking shelter.

That a big part of why so many people are angry at how this is playing out

There really aren’t that many people who are angry at how Ireland is addressing the issue of accommodating asylum seekers and refugees, let alone an even smaller number of people who are trying to play one off the other in an attempt to suggest that funding provided for the provision of accommodation for asylum seekers and refugees would be better spent elsewhere, preferably what they would prefer to see public funds spent on.

That’s an old argument that’s always been used when those people want to argue against something which they don’t support, they’ll find something else the money should be spent on instead, and ignore the fact that for example Government just announced €400 million in public funding is to be made available for investment in sports (a couple of hundred euro should see that pitch right, could easily come from the council), or the additional €200 million provided for in Budget 2024 to bring the total investment in services for people with disabilities to €2.8 Billion for 2024 alone:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0811/1464487-sport-funding/#:~:text=The%20T%C3%A1naiste%20Miche%C3%A1l%20Martin%20has,an%20additional%20%E2%82%AC120%20million.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/13544-minister-ogorman-welcomes-substantial-investment-under-budget-2024/

The current Government plans in relation to the development and provision of accommodation and services for asylum seekers are ambitious (I’m being kind), but the plan is to invest €5 Billion over the next 20 years (at current prices), with the plan being to eventually move away from the current accommodation and services provisions for which the State is paying well over the odds, because it is being paid to private services providers. In the long term it is expected to save “the taxpayer” a fortune:

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/02/cost-of-state-owned-accommodation-for-asylum-seekers-put-at-5bn-between-now-and-2044/

Whether it actually will or not, remains to be seen, but given that current public spending on the National Children’s Hospital has increased significantly over time since it was first proposed. the final cost of providing for accommodation for asylum seekers and refugees may well run into twice or three times the currently projected costs. The plan being proposed now, should have been implemented 20 years ago when it was clear that Direct Provision was an unmitigated and unsustainable disaster:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/direct-provision-in-ireland-how-and-why-the-system-was-introduced-1.4086552

This was known about even 10 years ago when the Public Service Oversight Committee published a report concluding that Direct Provision was simply unfit for purpose:

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/31/joint_committee_on_education_and_social_protection/reports/2015/2015-05-07_report-on-direct-provision_en.pdf

It was long before Roderic O’ Gorman was making any announcements on social media about the possibility of replacing the current system with ideas of own-door accommodation for asylum seekers after four months. There was a lot more to the proposal to end Direct Provision than the BS that got floated about on social media:

They will be phased in over the next four years along with a new system of accommodation and supports for people seeking asylum or international protection from outside the State.

Under the new scheme, applicants will be provided with help to integrate from “day one”, according to the paper. The State will provide healthcare, education and supports for seeking employment on arrival. A key plank will see the end of the Direct Provision system, in which asylum-seekers were housed in communal centres and not allowed to work.

Under the new system, anyone seeking asylum here will spend no more than four months living in one of a number of new ‘reception and integration centres’ around the country that will be operated by not-for-profit organisations.

During their initial stay, they will be provided with tuition for English language education and supports in seeking employment.

Those whose applications are still being processed after four months will be allowed to move into their own accommodation and pay rent based on a means test. They will also be allowed to seek employment after six months. “The accommodation will be own-door for families, and provide the privacy and independence so many were not afforded over the past two decades,” Mr O’Gorman said.

“Single people will have own-room accommodation, ending the shared dormitory-styled rooms associated with the current system.”

A key component of the new system will be an emphasis on “the principles of human rights, respect for diversity and respect for privacy and family”, he added.

https://archive.ph/yDO3N

Those proposals were always pie in the sky nonsense anyway, and they were still long before the current situation in which the country finds itself had developed.

we have deported fewer then 100 people in last few years and there is somewhere in the region of 70% rejection rate on applications

The governments project 2040 plan requires over 1,000,000 people coming into the country by 2040 and failed AS/Refugees will be a significant part of that given how McEntee loves an oul amnesty

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/airlines-and-ferries-face-increased-fines-for-carrying-undocumented-passengers-into-ireland-from-today/a524140066.html

This article comes across as a PR stunt.

We're going to get a lot of this as the general election approaches. Promises to be tough on illegal immigrants. As soon as the election is over. . . . business as usual.

I don't think it's just me that's struggling to see what exactly they're trying to achieve.

The proposals have been described as vague and even include a call to 'think outside the box'.

https://www.ft.com/content/c45c2279-c567-4235-9ed2-91740b505142

It's just not clear to me, or I'd think a lot of people, what Denmark is trying to achieve here, is it a migration pact 2.0 or what is it? Feeling they have to pressurize the EU to change direction, just after the migration pact was agreed (taking four years of official negotiation and much longer in the pipeline), does not look to me that this is a country so confident in it's own approach as we had been led to believe.

Overall, the letter is a brazen push for a policy direction that has proved divisive on the international stage, and a pressure play to incentivise non-EU countries to deal with global migration.

Given its timing, it also alludes to a level of internal dissatisfaction with the scope of the EU’s New Pact on Migration and Asylum.

https://cphpost.dk/2024-05-21/news/politics/denmark-leads-15-member-states-in-call-to-outsource-eu-migrant-policy/

Horrific stuff if legit footage.

Of course it also plays perfectly into Putin's hands, giving him a simmering low-level conflict right on the EU's border.

Well done to our anti-immigration friends who've been lapping up the Russian propaganda.

It’s obvious from your own article that Denmark is uninterested in opting-in to the EU Migration Pact, to suggest otherwise as you have is simply incorrect. As your own article states, a majority of EU Member States dissatisfied with the EU Migration Pact - probably in part because they doubt its efficacy, as you have yourself - are pushing for policies of externalisation. For Denmark as an EU Member State it is important that its neighbours in Schengen have practical asylum policies as well, Denmark is being impacted by crimes committed by “Swedes”, an EU-level implementation of policies of externalisation is a further step in the right direction. Denmark can be content with its asylum policy and equally recognise that more can be done, no point resting on laurels.