Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

The purpose of the international protection system is provide protection to those that require it - processing applications is far from the purpose of the system - that the majority of asylum applicants over the decades of the system being in place are ineligible for international protection indicates exploitation. The extent of the exploitation was recently underscored by the fact that between 50% and 70% of asylum applicants are secondary movements from other EU Member States. In other words, the majority of asylum seekers in the State have travelled through multiple EU Member States, often registering asylum claims, only to then apply in Ireland - that is abuse and exploitation of a system that is unfit for purpose. Limiting employment is a deterrent, there are a multitude of policies of deterrence implemented effectively in EU Member States such as Denmark. Ireland has the highest per capita rate of asylum applicants in the EU, Denmark has one of the lowest. It is only recently, as asylum policy in Ireland has become even less effective, that the asylum figures have increased exponentially.

but they aren't even remotely close

Your figures are clear demonstration that the international protection system isn’t being exploited though? If anything the high number of rejections indicates that anyone attempting to is simply unable to exploit the international protection system. There are ways to get around the system and exploit illegal methods of entering into and remaining in the country illegally, but that is not the system, it’s outside of the international protection system!

Limiting employment is not a deterrent, limiting employment has a negative impact on the economy of any country, and there’s plenty of evidence to support that, whereas there is no evidence to suggest that limiting employment acts as a deterrent to illegal immigration:

https://theconversation.com/hotels-and-employment-arent-major-pull-factors-for-refugees-heres-what-really-draws-people-to-move-211796

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/scarring-effects-employment-bans-asylum-seekers

It absolutely indicates that the system is being exploited, that IPAT are capable of distinguishing between valid and invalid asylum claims is the bare minimum, to present that as evidence of a functioning asylum system is deluded. If the majority of those applying for a Government scheme are ineligible, the scheme is evidently unfit for propose and potentially being exploited - if the overwhelming majority of applicants for Jobseeker’s Allowance were being refused because they were in employment, the Department of Social Protection would be launching an investigation into the issue. At present estimates, between 50% and 70% of asylum seekers in the State are secondary movements from the rest of the EU, that is manifestly exploitation of the system. Policies of deterrence include limiting employment, which the referenced article notes has a “modest” impact, though I’m of the opinion that increasing the threshold for protection is the primary deterrent, these policies are effective, as Denmark demonstrates.

The appeals process really is that slow.

Dublin airport is pathetic.

I went through arrivals area recently... a few immigration officers standing around, joking and laughing.

Yes, they were stopping certain people on the tarmac, and it's racial profiling going on.

It needs to be more like Frankfurt airport. The self scanning entry gates on arrival. No passport to scan? You are not getting in.

Assessing the validity of asylum claims is one aspect of the asylum system, that it is functioning properly is the minimum expected. It remains the case that between 50% to 70% of asylum seekers in the State are secondary movements from the EU - to argue that the system is functioning because IPAT are capable of issuing first instance decisions is absolutely deluded. As your own sources indicate, policies of deterrence are effective, Denmark demonstrates that and I expect that the EU will follow eventually.

There's been several posts on this thread of 'research' and 'facts' found to have come from eugenics sites.

All were under the guise of looking for reasonable debate while demeaning IPAs in some form as an inferior group.

Personally I just consider it hatemongering and don't think too much about whether it's from people who'd meet the criteria for eugenicist, far-right, xenophobic, white-supremicists, hard right, extremist cult etc

Well if they have tall electric gates, they probably wouldn't be that bothered. There is social housing already in those areas. Some "natives" get lucky enough to live in places they could never afford on their own. If you want to kick them back to Coolock and replace them with IPAs then you can break it to them.

I just think it's kind of silly in this day and age to be falling for grifters' nonsense. It's not some mysterious bogemen of your "Fionnula and Fintan" sipping champagne and thinking 'how can we fuck with the plebs today my dear - oh, I know, wouldn't it be jolly good if we got some Syrians in claim asylum".

Thinking you would have some kind of victory by putting possible chancers up in expensive luxury accommodation to piss off those imagined bogeymen is bonkers.

NO. They appeal courtesy of the support of the NGO sector and drag it out forever. I didn't realise the appeals took so long

The majority will stay and eventually will be granted citizenship. They will get all the supports they need until then. Processing applications is a waste of time and money as we will never deport significant numbers. We would actually be better off scrapping processing as in reality it serves no purpose.

By recent statistics you mean that one recent month or were there more?

Ireland can't implement Denmark's approach because we can't simply push people towards other EU countries, we're too dependent on the continued success of the union. Not to mention the folly in investing heavily in something which has no long term future.

I'm not sure how Denmark even intends to continue it's approach anyway, now that it's had this about turn and wants into the migration pact

And where will we house the many hundreds of thousands of people that will inevitably flood in once that happens?

I'm currently trying to buy an apartment in Ashbourne. It's a soul destroying process, mental torture. I've been outbid significantly previously as there is huge demand and poor supply currently. This idea will just force an awful lot more Irish people to emigrate, your teachers, nurses etc. to chase better pay, better working condition, better work life balance etc. in the long run thats bad for us who don't want to live in Canada, Australia, new Zealand or Dubai etc

Govt policy Is just very short sighted.

And therein lies the crux of the situation.

7300 scammers who should have all benefits cut.

They won't be long self deporting when the free handouts stop.

A govt minister actually announced this 3 or 4 years ago

https://gript.ie/watch-roderic-ogormans-video-promising-everything-to-asylum-seekers-should-never-have-been-made/