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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,026 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think it's a good move by Harris to not let the Fox debate be the first one, in case Trump decides to pull out of the others after claiming they're unnecessary or whatever. Make sure their first one is more on neutral ground and use it to set the bar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,175 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It was coherent but it was completely devoid of diplomatic structure or policy. It was coherent because the theme for much of it was Me Me Me and Trump has spent 78 years talking about that topic.

    But it was deranged when looked through the lens of assessing who would be a better choice for President. Crowd sizes? FFS Donald give it a rest. No one cares.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yeah, I said that mostly with my tongue firmly in cheek. 107,000 people v's 1,500 people. The problem is there are people who just believe him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I have one worry about Harris debating with Trump. To have a debate you have to have some sort of back-and-forth discussion about policy and other issues. Can you have a half reasonable debate with an unhinged lunatic? Can you handle the way he will oversimlify issues so that you are forced to be "boring" and try to explain things?

    No criticism of Harris, just a worry about getting into any sort of "debate" with Trump.

    But it might be nice to see Walz use his down to earth style in a debate with Trump.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    3 Months really isn't a "shockingly truncated time" to run a campaign - It's still significantly longer than any other official election campaign anywhere else in the world.

    99% of what happens prior to early September will be irrelevant and forgotten by the Electorate anyway , but like everything else in the US they have to monetise and tear the arse out of everything by turning it into this year long marathon of nonsense.

    It absolutely wasn't "coherent" , he was rambling about Bacon and most of his responses made no sense at all.

    For example

    Asked if he would revoke the abortion drug mifepristone, Trump said, "You could do things that would supplement. Absolutely. And those things are pretty open and humane."

    Does that sound "coherent" ??

    He of course covered all his favourite things (himself) lying about Crowd sizes , lying about his record in office , lying about the current administration etc. but coherent is not a term I would use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Trumps last debate performance was also abysmal. It was just completely overshadowed by how bad Bidens performance was.

    For instance Trump was twice asked about his policies for better childcare. And twice he just talked about the border and himself. He didn't actually answer the question. It was a golden opportunity to turn to the camera and say to the people of America: "Look at this guy, he cares 100 times more about his f**cking golf score than he does about your children".

    Any lucid cogent debater could have made Trump look like an absolute clown at that debate. Sure he's a pigeon playing chess. But that's the angle Harris lean into. You really wanna vote for the pigeon? Or do you want a serious policymaker?

    I'd be pretty confident that Harris will mop the floor with him. And he knows it. Just listen to him STILL pining and moaning like a child that he's not running against Biden. Still making excuses and plays not to debate Harris fair and square. That should tell you everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Has Harris said anything about the Fox news debate? If Trump will accept to debate Harris on ABC, then he's going to demand she debate him on Fox. She doesn't have to accept that, of course, but Trump will just harp on more about the idea that she's scared to debate him in a more hostile (he might say 'critical') environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    3 Months really isn't a "shockingly truncated time" to run a campaign - It's still significantly longer than any other official election campaign anywhere else in the world.

    wishful thinking on my part, but wouldn’t it be lovely if Harris wins this race and we see this political reset in the United States where presidential elections are not protracted three years out but truncated as it were several months out again like it normally was not that long ago, her having them proven that you don’t need to run a huge expensive years long campaign to win an election, that might even be enough to convince the election industry to reign it in a little however the election industry is worth billions and billions of dollars now, so maybe it will be hard for those interested capitalists to let go a little. Regardless a recalibration would be incredibly welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Someone like Hillary Clinton would need a long time to build a campaign - someone who wants power but hasn't got a particularly likeable personality. They have to seed the ground and shake all the right hands and all that stuff. If you have charisma, then that can do much of the heavy lifting and so much of a runway isn't necessary.

    But even then, Harris had technically been campaigning a long time under the Biden ticket. She's not a newcomer to the race. She was, in a sense, also participating in that years long election cycle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Harris does not need to accede to anything in terms of debates from Trump. This man has already given in on his stated line that he wouldn't debate. He is now looking to some how make things a bit easier on himself, and we all know he won't debate on ABC if he already has the Fox debate done.

    Harris merely needs to stick to the already agreed schedule. If that schedule doesn't suit Trump then it's on him for making such an agreement.

    That press conference showed, if indeed there was any doubt, that Trump is panicking. He has nothing on which he can fight back with. His whole plan was to attack Old Man Biden. That was it. The entire foundation of his campaign. He is now the old man. He was never going to discuss policy, only call out Biden as too old, too slow, past it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,026 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Debating Trump will be very much "playing chess with a pigeon" territory for Harris. But at the same time, both he and his "debating" style are much more of a known quantity this time around.

    With Hillary, how he'd debate was much more of an unknown (and Hillary was smug and awful anyway). The first debate with Biden this year, Biden came across worse in comparison and because, let's face it, more was expected of him. Biden V Trump debates in 2020 was a lot closer, but Trump also had all the Hunter stuff and Biden's age to fall back on.

    He's already struggling to effectively pin anything on Kamala and as I said, he's such a known quantity. If anything his thing last night showed his entire hand.

    One debate or three, Harris needs to be absolutely preparing every retort against what Trump throws, and everything she can throw at him to derail him and make him go off on tangents.

    But, she also needs to do a news interview or two, and soon. She needs to start getting her message out and show she's not afraid of being questioned. Not that I think she is, but campaign rallies can only do so much. Her not doing media is one of the main points Trump & Vance are currently throwing out at her, so cut that away from them and do a few interviews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    This is what infuriated me with Biden etc. You have to lower yourself to Trumps level a bit. Going technical on policy won't work.

    Instead just flat out ask him -

    'What's your plan for healthcare?'

    'Why were there a half a million Americans dead as result of COVID than there should have been on his watch?'

    'What does Putin have on you that makes you his lapdog?'

    'Do you think a convicted felon should be allowed to hold the office of President?'

    'Do you think someone who sexually assaulted someone should?'

    'Do you agree with many people who say you're only rich because of your Daddy and if it weren't for him you'd be either in jail or on the street?'

    Watch him squirm and get angrier and angrier. Hammer him on policy on your addresses to the audience at the end. He has no plan for anything etc etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "A bit" should have emphasis, here. Trying to hit him with a lot of criticisms in a short span of time probably wouldn't be as effective as it sounds. Trump would likely attempt to answer most of the above with some variation of the border.

    "A lot better than your plan for the border."

    "Why are there 30 million illegals flooding across the border, raping, killing and selling fentanyl?"

    "I've never met Putin. You are a puppet of Soros."

    "Do you think all these convicted felons should be allowed bring fentanyl from Mexico and sell it to schoolchildren? Also, my conviction was election interference."

    "The only sexual assaulters are the rrrrrapists you're letting come across the border"

    "Do you agree that you're only on this stage because daddy Biden let you have access to his campaign funds?"

    And so on.

    Trump would be comfortable with a mud slinging match. He'll just hit back with deflection and lies in an attempt to verbally cow her. She'll have to box a bit lighter, picking her spot to land choice rhetorical clatters on Trump's ear, leaving him red faced and angry while she smiles and laughs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Getting baited by Walz here,

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/bill-oreilly-accuses-tim-walz-of-defamation-for-jd-vance-couch-dig-lost-of-a-respect-for-the-governor/

    Walz said nothing defamatory whatsoever, all he wondered is if JD Vance can get off the couch and debate him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,418 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There is nothing to indicate that he can actually reply with short snappy replies any more, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,875 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    poor old Bill is just an old irrelevant pervert at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,875 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    wrong thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,918 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Come on, he never could. Not if it wasn't an insult or a dimunition of another person.

    He wouldn't know snappy if it crawled out of the Everglades and bit him on his bloated arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,411 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Harris has a fairly easy option when debating Trump anyway. When Trump goes on and on and on with the lies about what he's going to do for working families etc, she can ask about why he barely achieved anything in his first term when he had both the House and Senate with GOP majorities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,918 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I saw a recent clip of Bill O'Reilly. Another man looking frail and confused and old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Super cringeworthy clip of Jesse Watters trying to get his mixed race Democratic co-host to forcibly wear a "White Dudes for Harris" baseball cap

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/you-are-white-right-are-you-halfjesse-watters-presses-black-co-host-harold-ford-jr-to-wear-white-dudes-for-harris-hat/

    Even Watters' other co-hosts, including Jeanine Pirrot, appeared to be shocked and uncomfortable with the bit, which leaned heavily on colorism/shadeism stereotyping of Ford Jr.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,090 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Thats the worst I've ever heard Trump speak. So bad.

    Up until now he had the luxury of running against two terrible candidates - a 70 year old woman who is as unlikeable as it gets and a 77 year old career politician with advanced dementia.

    Lets not forget how bad Trump will go down in the history books. Lost his reelection campaign, lost the popular vote twice and lost the House and the Senate. First Republican to "achieve" that in 125 years.

    Really think if Kamala can just keep the energy levels up she could walk this election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,282 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Harris/Walz are ahead by 2.1 points. Hope that builds to 5 or 6. Even trailing in the polls will have Trump floundering. Scaramucci says Trump is thinking of changing the backroom team, that's why he's not campaigning ATM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I have decided that my wildest dream is that this is the year Texas turns blue*.

    Oh man, could you imagine how much that would get under Musk's skin?

    After making such a fuss about moving his bases there.

    ..

    .

    *Wildest dream AKA, never gonna happen. I know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,090 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    If anything it'll turn more red.

    Was down there for a bit last year. Houston, Austin, San Antonio, surrounding towns.

    They really don't like Biden and democratic policies. Seem to be worried Texas will go the way of California.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This won't be a walk for her at all, this is going to be a marathon.

    One of the key things too about why Harris has been so limited in appearance this term and why she is so visible now is the Senate. One of the key roles of the Vice President is to be President of the Senate and oversee tie breaker votes, and this Senate is split right down the middle: 50 Republicans to 48 Democrats who caucus with 2 Independents.

    The reason she can and has been doing back to back to back to back rallies is the Senate schedule, they're in recess right now, but that won't be the case for the rest of the race, she will potentially be unable to schedule anything in September:

    https://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2024_calendar.pdf

    Having said that, Because of her tie breaking vote and the caucus with Independents, Chuck Schumer is the Senate Majority Leader, so she at least doesn't have to worry that eg. on the night of the debate, the GOP votes in some radical new bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,418 ✭✭✭✭L1011




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