Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

The gas thing is, if they were honest, they COULD defend Trump. They all could.

The problem is they know if they are to be honest in their defence, they won't get any votes. The only reason being that the positions that Trump has are not popular positions.

*Women should not be equal to men.

*The white race is the top of the food chain.

*America should be a Christian nation first and foremost.

*Billionaires and the monied class should have more rights than average people.

*If you can't afford healthcare, that's your fault.

*If you can't afford childcare, that's your fault.

*There should be no such thing as an upwardly mobile society, or society as we know it.

*People should know their place.

*Trans and gay people are not real. They're sick people or looking for attention.

*Profit is the most important item. Everything serves profit.

The closest thing we've seen them comes to own this is the Project 2025 handbook, which of course, the campaign has distanced itself from as its immensely unpopular and batsh*t insane.

This is actually the most frustrating thing about arguing with Trumpers. They refuse to actually own the positions they believe in and constantly deny they feel this way because it is completely unpalatable and yes, very f*cking weird to believe this stuff in the 21st century.

Ended diplomatic relations with Iran, used Ukraine as a political plaything, destabilised NATO, wrote love letters to his dear Kim, inflamed the Israel/Palestine situation….That all definitely helped avoid WW3….

You seem to get confused on the fact that Dems don't worship their candidate in the same weird way as Republicans. Most would prefer someone younger in 2020 but he had a very solid presidency. I would have preferred he announced stepping back earlier but as soon as he announced he was rerunning it was going to be hard for anyone to gather support against the incumbent. I can have preferred options and still be realistic about the odds of candidates getting elected and nominated.

I supported him as the best option for Dems to rally behind as the incumbent. I was worried a campaign would be unable to shift away from Biden effectively but I was wrong on that one.

If via deux ex machina the Dems were forced to run Biden I would support him again but prefer if it was a different candidate.

Do you have similar issues with Haley and Cruz suddenly changing heart about Trump when they could no longer win?

So just to recap again. Some billionaire donors and other unelected people such as the Clintons and Obamas, removed the candidate of the Democratic Party that had been voted for by 14 million Democrats because these unelected people thought the candidate selected for the Democratic Party by a democratic process, by Democrats was too risky. That’s what you are saying.
Explain it to me again.

Well, if that's true, Kamala should be hated and booed by the *checks notes* over 10,000 DEMOCRATS that were in the arena last night to see the unveiling of her VP pick.

Is that right?

Everybody knew it was the right thing for Biden to step down, including him after he had time to think about it. If he really didn't want to step down, don't you think he would have A: fought it through the courts? Or B: hung on til the convention?

Can you point out one democrat that is campaigning to have Biden as the presidential nominee? If it's as undemocratic as you allude, there must be some movement made up of democrats that have said, "We made our bed, we have to lie in it, come hell or high water".

Or, let’s put aside the preference, never mind votes of 14 million Democrats.
If, in a months time, for some reason it is decided, again by unelected billionaire donors and unelected Democratic Party grandees, that Kamala Harris is unelectable, too risky, to quote another poster. Would you as a democrat (with large and small d) support the replacement candidate?

What the **** is he on about?

The site is being borky, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and ask again.

Can you name me one Democrat with an ongoing issue over picking Harris?

If it's so detrimental to democracy as you are saying, there must be a sizeable underground gathering of democrats that are trying to overturn this, unfair and unjust coup of Joe Biden?

Sure, everyone believes Biden had a long dark tea time of the soul and decided to step down.

Are you seriously claiming that all the political insiders and all the veteran American political journalists who reported donors threatening to pull funding unless Biden was replaced are wrong and you are right and MSNBC, CBS, the Washington Post, New York Times, etc, who reported this, are, like me are “disingenuously twisting” the facts?

Is that really what you are claiming?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/us/politics/biden-donors.html