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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭circadian


    Did I miss something? Is Biden the nominee again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,611 ✭✭✭valoren


    Kamabla/Kampala. They are not instantly understandable like a Crooked Hillary or a Sleepy Joe as insults and are neutered.

    And when you're explaining, you're losing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Honest question.

    Do you feel people shouldn't be allowed change their minds when given new information?

    Because it sounds like that's what you're suggesting.

    "You supported Biden, you should always support Biden, regardless of what happens."

    Sorry pal, but that's only true for MAGA heads. They support Trump regardless of finding out about him being a rapist and a fraud.

    I believe the current 'slogan du jour' fits:

    "That's just a bit weird."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I fail to see their direct relevance to Uganda's foreign policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jesus Christ it’s like that speech last night punched MAGA into last month they are still going on and on about “Brandon”

    Do they realize they are racing against Harris/Walz now or are they trying to throw the towel in already



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,901 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I dont see anyone declaring their love of Trump.

    Thats the accusation levelled at anyone who doesnt think Kamala Harris is the chosen one.

    Its completely disengenuous and just an excuse to be vitriloic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Family chat is blowing up this morning about the speech last night

    Family chat never discusses politics (fishing and hockey) but now even my own mother is fired the hell up. The dynamics of the election have completely changed. It feels like ‘08 again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It was almost as if, presented with new evidence (the debate), people's concerns but to that point largely unevidenced fears about Biden were magnified and as a result, they were able to review the situation and look to make changes rather than blindly staying loyal out of some sort of devotion.

    Compare that with those who support Trump. Despite his failing to concede the last election, he was the head of a campaign to overturn that election and ultimately attempted a coup. Despite his convictions for sexual assault and 34 counts of fraud.

    Despite Trump's decision to dump Pence from the ticket, which strangely is not commented on at all by Trump supporters who seem to be so exercised that the DNC would make a change.

    Despite all this, Trump supporters are staying steadfastly behind their guy.

    One party acted on the evidence and the other is going full steam ahead despite all the evidence. Yet it is the DNC that you have a problem with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,958 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    You say "serious commentators" as if we're not all just a bunch of people on a website giving our own opinions or speculation based on available information. Information or circumstances change, and it's only prudent that those opinions and speculation change with that.

    Speaking only for myself, I didn't like that we ended up with Biden in 2020, but looking back he probably was the best pick to beat Trump. His Presidency has been okay, but I didn't want him to run again for 2024 (pretty sure he'd said he was only going to serve one term). But he won the Primaries, so f*ck it, he was going to be the nominee. Then the debate happened, and he was fairly abysmal. I still don't think he has shown enough signs of any kind of tangible cognitive impairment that should have excluded him from running again, and I thought even regardless of Dems asking him to step down I didn't think he would, not at this stage.

    But he did. In fairness to him, he listened, he reassessed, he knew it was most likely he'd lose, so he stepped aside. People can post all they want about some shadowy group of "doyens" forcing him out in an undemocratic coup, but the fact remains he won the Primaries and if he didn't decide himself to step down, he likely still would have been the nominee following the DNC.

    Circumstances change. If Biden had decided not to run again before the Primaries and there were more Dems putting their name forward, Harris may not have even won. And so most of us would likely be supporting whoever the new Dem nominee was. But because Biden stepped down when he did, Harris became the presumptive nominee (because at the very least, the Biden/Harris ticket won the Primaries) and no other Dem candidates really put their name forward. So now we're supporting Harris.

    Circumstances change. Since he lost the 2020 election, Trump has engaged in trying to prevent that election being certified, rallied his followers to go to the Capitol to disrupt the certification, been charged with numerous crimes, been found liable for sexual assault, and spends half his rallies talking about Hannibal Lecter and fearing being electrocuted by a boat with a battery. Yet people still support him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,300 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Well, I heard he's planning on a comeback. Word is floating around that JFK Jr. will be his running mate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MAGA tries desperately to choke on ‘memberberries of running a half assed campaign ahead in the polls against an aging Joe Biden

    It’s a wonder all these “did I say I support Trump” Trump supporters are trying to derail the thread with similar nonsense, they have their marching orders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Everyone is well aware of how you pretend to be a "centrist"... She's a more capable politician than Trump, isn't a rapist or felon. So not claiming she is the chosen one but she is light-years ahead of the other guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I believe one can support who one wants. What I find hypocritical is posters arguing Biden is fit to govern for a second turn right up to the point where he is dumped out of the race by the Democratic Party elders. If posters, Biden supporters, conceded he should step down before he was forced to then fine.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,741 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I'm not naive enough to think one VP pick is going to change the ideological rot of the mainstream Democratic Party, but Walz is the most encouraged I've been by a major Democrat figure in a good while. He is exactly what the party needs: a down-to-earth, relatable and successful advocate for progressive policies that will actually make a difference to ordinary people's lives. The party has been so corrupted by big business and special interests, they really need to shift to being a party that will make a tangible difference for people who've rightfully lost faith in politics. Otherwise, people will be drawn to the false promises offered by others.

    The Republicans would spew their incoherent 'most far-left candidate ever' attacks whoever the VP pick was going to be (they use it against Joe Biden for god's sake). But the lame, lazy attacks will struggle when the policies being put forward - from abortion rights to school dinners - are hugely popular with a significant swathe of the electorate. Lots, lots more to be done - not least on major pressing issues like Gaza, which sadly this VP pick doesn't really move the needle on - but Walz is a step in the right direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,796 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Ah bless, it's all they have. Like rats trapped in a barrel, they will start eating each other soon.

    The 'weird' description makes more and more sense the more you see who is campaigning for trump. All of them weird and also deplorables. No wonder they are so rattled, a simple word to describe them to perfection



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Presumably he just is copying the word from the rapist.
    Shows how little imagination exists there if a poster thinks it witty to copy a stupid attempt at racism from a known felon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Well that settles it; time to go and camp out at Dealy Plaza again for months on end while we wait for him to turn up.

    It's worth pointing out, that it was the extreme Q-Anon cohort of MAGA that did this wierd nonsense back in the day when some idiot invented the idea of a long-dead Democrat returning from the dead to join Trump and return him to the White House mid-term without an election. And for reasons not explained (or explainable) a number of them ended up camping at the location of the assasination of JFK.jr's father for an embarressingly long amount of time.

    This is the heart of where we are folks. We have one side of the political spectrum taking stock of things that have happened and adjusting strategy according to what we see & what we hope will work best. Then we have the other side, the wierdos, who will ignore reality despite it being exactly what they need to do for themselves. They will ignore the unsuitablity of Trump to run anything let alone a nation, and stick with him. They will ignore the undemocratic and extreemist behaviour of MAGA and echo everything they say despite the threat their ideas might eventually be to them. And they'll believe someone so much that a dead man will turn up in Dallas to magically make their chosen canditate president that they'll sit there for days to make believe it will happen.

    So go on, our "I don't like Trump, but…" MAGA friends. Keep focusing on everyone elses ability to think about the world and adjust our opinions. Then take a long hard look at why you still find yourself cheerleading for a man who's best soundbite lately is taking about fictional cannibal, and is so god damned thick that he thought that nuking a hurricane was a good idea.

    Because despite all of this belated finger wagging about Biden…*your* guy is still Donald F**king Trump, the single worst American President in history, who was so childish and corrupt that he couldn't even leave office without trying to wreck democracy in the process.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Be under no doubt that the very future of the USA is at stake in this coming election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,300 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Here's your basic problem:-

    Kamala Harris is running against a guy who (as sitting president!) incited the January 6th attack on the US Capitol, and your principal concern appears to be that Harris is a bit fake or whatever.

    I would say, as respectfully as I can, that your priorities are out of order.

    There will be plenty of time to criticise Harris on her personality and policies after the most pressing matter of preventing Trump regaining power is addressed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,901 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    We heard that in 2016 too.

    Trump would destroy the economy, cause WW3, blah blah blah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    To recap you have ignored everything written

    I've expressed that I thought Biden was unelectable for a 2nd term. Plenty of others have done the same. You're attempting to claim that anyone who has done so has been "vilified", which is false.

    Second, it's not "right" or "wrong", he could have stayed in the race, but it was considered too risky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I know you’re trying to be disruptive, but can you please just get back to the topic in the thread title?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seems like a Trump supporter has given up on trying to defend Trump, that battle was lost long ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Inadvertently they are.

    Trump a felon, a sex offender, pathological liar, a racist is clearly the worse of the two candidates. So when someone fixates on criticising the other candidate whilst applying none of that at Trump it exposes their true position. Typically one they are attempting to mask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Can't believe that White Nationalist Dracula is only 38.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,901 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Not me, you.

    Spouting some nonsense about Maga, Brandon, Jesus Christ or whatever buzzwords randomly come into your head.

    I am not MAGA, I never once mentioned Brandon on this forum so you are just up to your usual games.

    Anyway Im out, Ive got better things to be doing with my time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Trump set women's rights back, he buddied up with dictators, extorted leaders for his own personal gain and egged on a failed insurrection. All pretty terrible and this also damaged the US reputation on the international stage. Since then he's turned out to be a rapist and a convicted felon. You and some other posters want a rapist and felon to be the president of America.... That kind of man is only going to serve the whims of dictators and his own personal interest.

    So y'know there's plenty of reasons to despise the man. In general I think rape is a good enough reason to view such a person as despicable. But you and others even try to downplay that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,584 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    If Joe Biden had been in a coma, he'd still make a better president than Trump. Hell, JD Vance's semen stained couch would do a better job purely by the virtue of it being an inanimate object.



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