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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Like who?

    The general sentiment was that Biden was too old. I didn't find many posters who didn't agree with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭McFly85




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Firstly, I'd choose Biden any day over Trump. He's a decent person and had a good first term. Secondly, his debate performance made me inclined to favour him not doing a second term. So I absolutely do think Harris is the right choice, particularly given the level of support she's managed to garner.

    I'd say the recognition of another candidate being more appropriate is a hell of a lot more sensible than those who would be outraged if Trump had to step down from his run. Most sensible people wouldn't back a rapist and felon. Bit of a piece **** to want in office of president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I was very much supporting "the administration". Biden could have spent his time over the next 4 years golfing, like the guy before him, and it wouldn't really have mattered. The team behind Biden has been pretty good, and a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

    I have friends in the states, and they were rather blasé about this election cycle. They would have voted blue to keep Trump out. However, they are now invigorated and a few of them have volunteered for the campaign.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,892 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    His communication skills had fallen off a cliff, which was a huge problem in USA elections and made him a poor candidate.

    That's a different thing to incompetence in the sense that you imply it. I know some absolutely sharp as fcuk 80 year-olds but you have to communicate at their pace, listen attentively etc. A complete no-no for the cut and thrust of an election campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Either would be far better than Trump. I was pretty happy when Biden exited the race. My main worry was switching the campaign over but that seems to be pretty smooth.

    I endorse policies candidates run on. If one has similar policies I will probably look favourably on them as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Ah come on. I hadn’t visited this site for a long time but these was an extensive debate about Biden’s competency with many posters vehemently denying any decline that would impact his second term.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I was against Harris for two reasons, other than mental decline, was that he would lose to Trump this time around. Trump would be a bad president, worse the second time around. At least Biden would have just sat back and let the management run things, and potentially Kamal take over at some point if he got much worse. A lot of posters here are quite reasonable and looking at the issues. Irish voters tend to look at everything, and will put policy over politics if it is for their betterment. Lots of countries don't, and America would be one of them, for many it is like a sports team. Talking to a friend over there, the reason Harris is going to win, isn't her being the better choice, it isn't her VP, it is because Trump picked Vance, nothing more, nothing less. It just looks (in one Americans opinions over coffee with swing voters) that Vance was the tipping point.

    Most on this site don't get that because there was enough without that but that is what you are dealing with.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would have hoped that Biden stepped down before the election cycle …. but "Never Trump" won out for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So all those earnest its all about the policies, let’s talk about the policies, were untrue. It’s all about the personalities.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm bowing out of this thread til it's either fixed or replaced. This thread freezing means it is quite unusable.

    (Oh no! I might get some work done!)

    It's been a bit of craic, look forward to the next time!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You are agreeing with me, though you don’t seem to realise it. Communication with the American people is a huge part of the role of the president. He was unable to do so successfully.
    Incompetence is literally the inability to do something successfully.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    *Posting in hopes page updates*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Trump campaign are now getting an expensive lesson on the importance of fonts and typefaces. The Kamala in "(Kamala) YOU'RE FIRED" is pretty much illegable unless you're right up at that sign.

    Kinda weird in general to be revisiting his old Apprentice slogan after all these years too. We've had 8 years of you cosplaying as a politician Donnie, we're way removed from that stupid reality TV show where you cosplayed as "not a loser".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You should really qualify that with “recent” general sentiment. When do you think the general sentiment changed about the appropriateness of Biden seeking a second term? Summer 2023?, Winter 2023?, Spring 2024?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭Detritus70


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,362 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I mean are you again not aware of American politics? The whole Dem vs. Rep 2 party deal news to you?

    The democrats needed to find someone who isn't a convicted rapist and fraudster to run as president and someone who doesn't get turned on by furniture as VP.

    The Republican's have set a low bar to beat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The difference is; Biden stumbled in his communication when talking sense. Trump manages to very eloquently talk absolute horseh*t.

    Trump is incompetent at communication in a different manner. There is nothing coherent, truthful or even logical in most of what Trump says. Biden occasionally mumbled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I would say it largely shifted as a result of the debate. His State of the Union speech went well and the debate is when the tides turned entirely on him. If the debate had went well, he would still be the candidate. It's probably better it went poorly rather than at a later date. In terms of his presidency, it will be looked at as a far more positive one than Trump's term...

    Policy wise, Harris is not very different to Biden. She's harder line on Israel, more vehemently pro choice. Meanwhile Trump has project 2025 which he's attempting to dissociate himself with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Let’s not confuse issues here. I am not saying Trump is wonderful. I am questioning the judgement of the posters here who would still be championing Biden’s cognitive alacrity were he still seeking a second term.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    To try dismiss criticism of Trump's conduct as 'personalities' is a completely untrue statement. Especially when Trump claims presidential immunity for his reprehensible conduct, conduct which includes attempts to subvert the results of the last election. That's not a personality question.

    And the poster didn't say that, you are unable to make any argument of your own, just putting invented false words in other poster's mouths.

    Opposing the presidency being the plaything of an election stealing felon and rapist is a policy in itself.

    Who do you back between Trump and Harris and why?
    Or will this just be a rinse and repeat of loaded questions and misrepresentations of other people's posts?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yeah lets not confuse issues here. You havent justified these claims made about other posters.

    So what is the agenda behind such questions?

    Harris is standing v Trump.

    Who do you support and why?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Kampala is the capital of Uganda.

    I'm sure it'll come as a surprise to nobody why that particular angle was chosen to try and have a go at Harris.

    I know 5 year olds that can conduct themselves better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Again though, Biden has no doubt aged, but there has been nothing to suggest he has suffered any kind of cognitive decline to the degree that he could not have served a second term, and if it was deemed during a second term that he was, there are means in place which could have him step aside either willingly or not, and Harris would assume the Presidency. Most posters here absolutely acknowledged Biden's age was a concerning factor, but also that there was not enough to indicate he had any significant cognitive condition which should have meant he should not run for re-election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I would dare say a combination of the poor debate performance and the Trump shooting is what pushed Biden out. If Donnie had been any other person he might have still been riding a lot of support on the back of that shooting attempt…but damn…he sure seemed to use up that boost rather quickly, didn't he?

    I'm thinking that the GOP now regret having the RNC several weeks before the DNC. At the RNC they were riding high after the shooting, so high infact that they felt they had the luxury of anointing a creepy MAGA-let as VP. But then…it all went badly for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Excellent contribution


    At least your honest about it, politics over policy, personalities over principles

    And the Kampala thing is most certainly not racist, it did sound familiar but certainly didn’t know it was a city in Uganda, anyways it seems to upset a few now so I’m sticking with it if only for that, remember just because your offended doesn’t mean you’re right - Ricky Gervais

    btw I’m still waiting on suggestions about how Kampala would handle the important topics mentioned, it seems there are no responses yet so that either means the site issues have kept people away, or people are just happy to play politics on here without actually understanding what the implications are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The debate was the chief turning point. It exposed something that many people were concerned about, a very visible decline.

    It's not like people suddenly turned against Biden or flip-flopped, even with his decline he's still of course a far better candidate Trump, but optically a candidate who can't speak properly is dead in the water. A shoe-in for the opposing candidate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And the US's role in international conflicts such as the Ukraine invasion very much so matters to Europeans, just because you don't care doesn't mean it has no impact. Eg a Trump situation where he hands Ukraine to Russia and allows them to commit genocide also has huge security implications for Europe. Similar for his NATO stance.

    Same reasons a lot of Irish people pay attention to elections in France or Germany. We're in a globalised world and choosing to ignore such politics is just a bit ignorant.



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