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Vice President Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,903 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Thats true to a certain degree but Fox arent exactly subtle.

    This election is going to hinge on Independent and undecided voters in swing states, I dont think a large proportion of them watch Fox News.

    Much more likely to watch what is viewed as central/left leaning tv.

    The ones that portray themselves as unbiased when they are anything but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm guessing post announcing her running mate, we're likely to see interviews. But my point stands, Trump is not even willing to engage in the debate process. In relation to changing her stance on certain policies, show me a politician who hasn't? She's walked back positions somewhat cause it has the potential to decide the election. She's made no secret that she's walked such back such positions, I'm sure it's likely to even show up during the debates.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If the worst thing Harris has done is a little flip flopping - which, basically, every politician has done since the days of Rome, then truly the GOP and avowed Sealions are on a hiding to nothing and have found as much to pin her with.

    Politician changed their views. Dog bites man. Now the sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭techdiver


    I think a lot here overestimate the issues in the middle East and Israel. The average American couldn't give two **** about anything outside their own country. In fact the majority of Americans wouldn't be able to point out Israel on a map.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If a network is centre or left leaning and they say that Trump is an oddball, that's not bias. That's the reasonable conclusion that centrists and left-leaning people would come to.

    To illustrate this point for you, a referee can be said to be unbiased while giving far more cards to one team than the other, and that's because one team acts the maggot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Where have her opponents challenging interviews been in the past few weeks? Fox News. And no “extended interaction with the press” lest he tell them to go inject bleach or something.

    Opinion columnists can complain about her “strategy” but the poll inflection and the blowout fundraising speaks for itself.

    Trump hasn’t held a conference since May (an “I am not a crook” conference following his felony conviction) and his NABJ appearance was a complete train wreck for his campaign. She’s doing great.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm not convinced a plurality of Americans could find all their own states on a map; not uncommon for a person to have never even crossed state lines. The country is agonisingly undereducated and poor in places to an extent we can't compare (outside maybe some parts of France, UK etc)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Thus how easy it is to manipulate the masses. I think the under education is a feature not a bug. Educated populations are a lot harder to manipulate and control. The GOP likes ignorant God fearers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Reckon it will be Walz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,967 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    CNN and a few others starting to report it's Walz.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    100% and you can be damn sure you'll find a common hue with any initiative whose net result was LESS education rather than more. Or less funding. Fewer book choices. Fewer ideas allowed. They'll stop short at having schools close but it's by design the public system is a mess, and dangerously incapable of educating generations of children to any beneficial degree. As one candidate for November remarked, "I like stupid people".

    The children that survive of course: the GOP are also happy to make your school days include hiding under tables as someone shoots your friends dead, píssing in kitty litter as much out of fear as a full bladder. Then will opine we need to arm teachers and the kitty litter is for kids identifying as cats.

    Gonna stop there because it's a topic that genuinely enrages me. The systemic crippling of education in America, coupled with letting children die for a constitutional amendment, is tantamount to criminal. All our problems can be solved with more learning, not less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Thanks. Would have preferred Kelly or Shapiro. Still a better pick than Vance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'd be happy with Walz, would have preferred Kelly though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    Walz it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Walz is pretty safe, will get working class voters but also very progressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,967 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Walz deserves it for kickstarting the "weird" criticisms of Trump & Vance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Kelly helps with Arizona in the senate, which makes sense. Would be fair to Walz described as the safest of the three choices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,777 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    She was never gonna pick a Jew. Not these days. I know that's appalling, but it's the reality.

    Kelly can do far more good for her in the Senate. And he's far more intelligent than she is. And she's no dummy.

    Walz is the very definition of a working class American made good. He's a hard worker both in his personal and political life. He has 24 years service as a senior NCO in the US Army and National Guard. He has farmed, he has worked in factories and he has taught in high school for many years. And he's a nice safe solid protestant, being a Lutheran, not a namby pamby Episcopalian or a crazy ass Bible bashing Baptist.

    If Harris is elite uppity Hollywood, LA, Beltway, trouser suit, then Walz to many people IS Mr Middle America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Walz.

    Thank fcuk for that.

    It would have been a challenge to actively root for Harris if Shapiro was on the ticket. And Walz' background, plain talking, pro-union is nice to see. I'd say AIPAC put unreal pressure on for Shapiro in last couple weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Depends on the final result. If they win, he will be lauded for his devastatingly simple and effective description. If they lose, it will be in the record as unimaginative and tame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,315 ✭✭✭✭briany


    A bold choice if true. Although the team may have to now work that much harder for Pennsylvania, Walz wouldn't turn off the youth vote as much as Shapiro might threaten to, plus it's going to be pretty hard for Trump's campaign to really lay into him on anything. Sure they'll call him the usual thing like a socialist, marxist, radical left lunatic. Normal people, however, would just call him a sound skin who's actually interested in helping people than drumming up fear over weird niche obsessions, as has been the MAGA playbook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    glad it’s not Shapiro after Ronny Chieng pointed out how much Shapiro makes himself sound like an emulation of Barrack Obama in speech oration and cadence. Cant unhear it.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/zWfG2jfFvME?si=9bJ0ZdCTKwy1orBM



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - The article quoted by our resident centrist makes the point that it's a very good strategy.

    Also, going back to Sun Tzu or Napoleon, it’s been a truism that when your opponent is flailing, you shouldn’t get in the way. This is particularly true in the Trump era: When people’s attention is focused on Trump, they don’t like what they see. And Biden’s withdrawal has provoked an eruption of ad hominem Trumpiness from the former president.

    Last week, Trump railed against Harris’ identification as a Black woman and then spent a sizable chunk of his rally in Atlanta attacking Brian Kemp, Georgia’s deservedly popular Republican governor. Why would Democrats want to distract anyone from that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,777 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Walz is a good choice. Boring, midwestern, bootstraps, etc. Seems like a pretty quick thinker too.

    VP debate should be very amusing, if it happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    She was never gonna pick a Jew.

    "The Jew" was picked apparently.

    Walz blew the absolute socks off them at the weekend and talked himself into the job.

    According to a lady who called it last night on CNN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Seeing many say that Walz choice is an indication of how much Harris is listening to the youth vote.

    Think he's going to help attract a significant number of 'on the fence' republicans also which is another positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I see immediately the weirdos are crying that picking Waltz is antisemitic of her even though her husband is let me check Jewish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I used to think this, it makes logical sense, but it's become increasingly evident that VPs don't sway votes much. Unless of course they start screwing up or saying ridiculous things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,967 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Amazing how Walz might appeal more to younger voters than J.D. "I LIKE DIET MOUNTAIN DEW!…. please clap…." Vance



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