Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Intersex is just an outdated term for certain DSD conditions.

One simple solution to this and to the trans controversies would be to have the female category as a protected one, like "minor" etc, and to make the "male" category an open one. That way any XX athletes (whether DSD or not) who wished to could compete in the "male" category.

If they have a DSD that means they have experienced male puberty though, then IMO safety concerns mean they should probably not compete against women in combat sports.

Though TBF it's so rare that a case by case examination would be both feasible and advisable:

It is estimated that 1 of every 20,000 to 30,000 males has a 46,XX karyotype, making it much less common than other related syndromes 

How many of them end up as Olympic level athletes??

I don't think that's the doing of people with DSDs though - many of them object strongly to being considered part of an identity, and complain that their medical issues are being hijacked for ideological reasons, ie to push the claim that sex is not a binary. In reality of course they no more illustrate such a thing than babies born with a hand missing "prove" that the number of limbs that humans have is random.

Indeed.

It also illustrates why so-called "compromises" such as having self declaration for non elite sports are a terrible idea: these issues need to be sorted out well before an individual is in the public eye or has a chance of a major medal.

It's unfair to Khelif that this is happening now - it should have been made clear to him at 13 or 14 that he was going to have to compete against boys, not girls. Not wait until he has spent years trying to get to an elite level, even apart from the public humiliation.

But as you say, that's the fault of the sports authorities, not Angela Carini. She's not the one who should have to apologise to Khelif.

I would be very worried what happens at the LA games when you see what has been allowed happen in America the last number of years,

Truthfully I've just been putting in the time to search for a lot of this info, (I will add its much harder atm because all terms with anything close to gender or sex immediately goes to stories on the current olympics) I had a somewhat basic knowledge of boxing from some time when I was younger but little to no knowledge of how its organized. So I'd love for someone who is an active boxer to break down what a pass book involves because it does seem to be the big 'maybe' in the room, as it seems in general all events tend to take these as gospel and as long as they are up to date and approved fighters are allowed to take part in an event. It requires a genuine level of doubt on someone's passbook/records book (I've seen it called both) to actually push back against it and insist on testing for something.

Which is why I think the IBA decision has been so heavily criticized. They claim they had reason to doubt the passbook (failed test in 2022) but claim they legally couldn't do anything but accept the book in 2023 and then run a second test to disqualify her during the event. If their chief concern was safety as they claimed and they had reasons to doubt the book based on a prior test then shouldn't they have been able deny her passbook and not let her into the event at all until the matter was resolved. Unless that pass book had details that made them question their initial test results and they opted to test again. This is all just going off the minutes of a meeting they released after they had disqualified her so its light on details. Even if one was to accept that the IBA was a 100% honest organisation there are serious questions about how the situation was handled by them.

As far as I am aware the only professional boxing organization to declare Imane Khelif is a man is the IBA. Most other organizations have either made no comment or have indirectly supported Imane Khelif by her continued participation in their events. Which as far as I can find has been World Boxing (Eindhoven Cup) and USA boxing (she was at a US boxing invitational just this year) both events have the requirement of boxers providing up to date records/pass books with up to date medical records which goes back to my above thought on what those books involve because they appear to carry a lot of influence on the decisions at these events.

Individuals on the other hand have been much more varied, I mentioned the Australian captain earlier being against Imran, but strangely the Australian Coach came out strongly in support of her. Some retired boxers or boxers who were not involved in this years Olympics have come down on different sides. I will point out of those, the ones who actually fought against Imran have mostly sided with her.

By all accounts, apart from claiming to be a woman in order to compete in athletics, semenya lives and identifies as a man in all areas of life, and has done since childhood, where he used a male name and didn't like hanging out with girls because they were "boring and soft". Aside from the fact that semenya seems to have been raised and socialized as a boy despite being incorrectly observed to be female at birth, it would have been painfully obvious at puberty what sex he was. I'd imagine it would have been the same for these boxers too if they have similar conditions.

Hmmm!…. come again?
I think you are………. purposely forgetting someone here.

The blame clearly lies on one side….. and one side only.
Namely, the TERFS, transphobes and bigots on the right, led by Queen JK who all made this an issue and brought a TONNE of hate down upon an innocent victim.

Khelif has been boxing for years with only minor pushback.

When Carini forfeited the fight, she made no mention of any trans issue and she hadn't weighed in on the subject previously either. As a seasoned boxer, she just knew when things weren't going the right way for her and decided to throw in the towel with humility.

In steps Terf Queen JK and other malcontents like Lord Elon and Logan Paul to use this fight incident and specifically Imane Khelif as their poster child for their anti-trans bigotry. The ironic thing was of course that Khelif apparently has lady parts and is only male in terms of high testosterone levels, due to some rare DSD condition. Although, whether the DSD claim is true is actually still up in the air.

Misinformation. Khelif was determined to be genetically male, with xy chromosomes. It was nothing to do with testosterone levels that they were excluded from the previous competition. And literally no one has said they are trans, not even the "queen terf" lol

Is Nicola adams also a terf now? Or maybe someone who is well placed to understand that women's sports should be for women, and the consequences for female boxers in particular. Perhaps do as she says here and you'll understand the issue. It's not khelifs fault that they have a medical condition but it doesn't mean they should be competing against females when they aren't one.

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https://www.breakingnews.ie/olympics-2024/iba-says-it-will-award-italian-boxer-angela-carini-olympic-champion-prize-money-1657705.html

I hope they offer money to all who lose at the Olympics to those two fighters, not just Carini

Looks like a man as well TBH.

Maybe here?

Ah yes, the IBC. Suspended from the IOC in 2019, run by Russians who have an amazingly clean Olympic background. Oh, and the president of the IBC has a criminal background in extortion and battery.

Now the usual cranks have jumped on their bandwagon. Amazing how **** thick some people are.

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