Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

The Algerian wasn't disqualified after beating a Russian though, was disqualified after beating a Thai.

And why SIX and not 5 or 10? I wonder what the data points are for such a comparison: how many healthy 6 year old girls even get their testosterone levels checked anyway?

Even for boys, levels before age 7 don't seem to be of much diagnostic use going by this table. I suppose age 6 or 7 will be the same, IOW past babyhood and pre puberty, rates will not be age-dependent so he's just picked the youngest possible age for which he's found data, when in fact at, say, age 10 it would have been exactly the same, but wouldn't have sounded quite so cute and disarming.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323085#low-levels

More pertinently though, I'm sure you're correct that the idea that a TW would be encouraged to have levels BELOW that of a pre-pubertal female is nonsense: I think almost anyone with thyoid insufficiency will tell you that doctors constantly "sub" supplement them in terms of comfort, IOW the person feels much better at a higher level of supplementation than the doctor is willing to allow them.

This is for safety reasons: the doctor wants them to be on the absolute minimum supplementation possible for their own best interests, even if that means a significant loss of comfort in terms of symptoms.

I can't imagine that HRT with the "wrong" hormone for someone's physiological processes can be any different: it would be madness to have someone aiming for levels way below those of a female adult of the same age. That's why I'm calling BS on that claim too. It's a complete fantasy.

So, judges that the IBA had flagged as potentially corrupt and who would not have been judging had the IBA been in charge, have been used by the IOC, and multiple countries feel that wrong decisions are being made?

And the IOC of course have themselves been under investigation for possible corruption in the run-up to the Games.

Hmm. I wonder why anyone thinks this is just a question of IBA corruption??

(Do you know how/when it came out that certain judges had previously been flagged by the IBA?)

Most chromosome tests take roughly a week, her taking the test does nothing for her now. You can argue why she didnt take the test before hand but she's has an up to date approved record book like all boxers that she has used for multiple boxing events in 2023/2024 (Eindhavon Cup) and for entering the Olympics. To actually force an athlete to take a test and not accept their record book a body would actually need something to justify it.

Just to confirm this, here is a link to the Eindhoven Box Cup invitation that she fought in and you can see on page 3 that it requires up to date record books with yearly medical exams for all entries

https://eindhovenboxcup.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Invitation-for-the-Eindhoven-Box-Cup-2024.pdf

This is why the IOC calls the IBA decision 'arbitrary' because they claim they had grounds to believe the record book was incorrect based on a 2022 test but still accepted her record book at the start of the event and then backtracked during the event.

And because the IBA was removed from the Olympics formally in 2023 their results are not grounds for justifying challenging her records book.

I need to stress this there is a big fight going down between the IBA and new boxing federation World Boxing that is the big drama behind all this. The 2023 event was boycotted by multiple countries over actions the IBA had taken (attempts to ban the Ukrainian team and allowing Russian Boxers to take part) thats why the last time an irish/british boxer fought Imran was in 2022 and not 2023 because they all boycotted the 2023 event.

The reason why Imran withdrew her challenge of the disqualification because World Boxing started running events in 2023 and is being openly touted to replace the IBA in the Olympics and when the Olympics officially kicked the IBA to the curb in 2023 it was made clear that IBA events were no longer relevant to seeding for the Olympics or arguably the future of the sport in general.

And this is what needs to be stressed, the IBA has been using this pr nightmare to attack World Boxing, to push down their new rivals and force Olympics back to the discussion table with them if they want to keep Boxing an Olympic sport.

This is a fight between big boxing federations about essentially the monopoly of Olympic Boxing,

its all over money again

Yeah I've been searching for it, but can't find it live among all the damn stations covering all sorts of games!

But I have found this on the net:

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/results/boxing/women-s-66kg/qfnl000200--

I can't see the match but they're giving the scoring.

So if it's all a spite match between the IBA and the WBO, what is the significance of the Vice President of the WBO saying they have had concerns about Khelif (and FOUR others) being male for 2 years now?

(I realise he is also Hungarian, but if he reported this to the IOC in 2022, as he claims, then while his reasons for making it public now may well be nationalistic, that does not discredit it. Especially as he says there were five boxers who failed the sex tests at that time.)

I will add its not universal support for Khalif at World Boxing, the captain CAITLIN PARKER of the australian team has also been reported (at least by the telegraph) to be against Khalif participating and she is on the world boxing committee.

not from what I've seen, she got a few clean jabs in, but so did the other boxer.

That's where that bit about being a man helps.

Something the IOC have accidentally confirmed by the way, when they said this:

Because he's now admitted it IS a DSD case (and not transgender) then that means that the athletes concerned have a DSD that is male-specific. Because if their DSD had been a female specific one, they would not have failed the chromosome test.

And also: in case anyone harbours any notions of the IOC caring about women's safety, or somehow being even slightly "good guys" in all this:

That was the generation of swimmers that Sharron Davies was competing against - the East Germans and the Russians. She, like Martina Navratilova and a number of other female athletes know what they're talking about.

interesting seeing mixed relays in the running and swimming today….

I'm beginning to feel you are being silly now

I gave you a direct link to World Boxing website

https://worldboxing.org/about/

You've gone now and grabbed yet another organization which you could literally put into google and see it takes you to completely different website

https://www.wbaboxing.com

And maybe think 'hmm maybe these are not the same organisation'

I mean it's silly how many groups have taken on variant of World and Boxing.

But I gave you a direct link. A simple google would have cleared this up for you.

Because as far as I am aware World Boxing Association doesnt want to run olympic boxing and is not in the running. World Boxing is (the one I linked) they're the ones who have it as part of their goals and were the ones setting up events last year and are currently at the olympics as observers.

As far as I can find World Boxing Association has made no statement saying they want to run the olympics boxing events going forward. I cant even find any statement from them about 2024 olympics.

I've found articles pre 2020 olympics where they said they wanted to be involved

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1079682/wba-throws-hat-into-ring-to-help-organise-olympic-boxing-competition-at-tokyo-2020

and one in 2018 where they tried to position themselves as the centre of boxing

https://fightnews.com/the-wba-opens-its-doors-to-olympic-boxing/25330

But post 2020 they appear to have said nothing on the matter.

I'll happily take a read of an article that says they are still actively trying to pursue the matter, but they're not the World Boxing group the IBA is picking a fight. So I dont understand the relevence of pointing this out?

Just trying to sort out in my mind who's who. I don't follow boxing as a rule (though I am interested in women's sport in general, and certain sports in particular, just not combat sports).

The point that I'm now unclear on is whether another group than the IBA has also said that Imane Khelif is male or whether the IBA is somehow part of the WBO, in which case this might be just a repetition of the previous info.