Could not be right. There would be no legislation for that anyway

i heard from a friend last week that a member of his club was asked to call into the station as the FO wanted to meet him in person after he left in his renewal . He also asked him to bring in his driving licence.

Maybe they are taking tips from their pals in Europe?

This has been SOP in Germany for years,if you are convicted of a DUI you lose ALL and any licenses you might have for anything for the time of the license ban. Including guns, small hobby and large boat skippers license,pilots, heavy machinery, etc.Even if your livelihood depends on it too.

Not to mind these days, fiddling your taxes and having "extremist"[aka right-wing] views, or liking a slightly off social media comment. But I've never heard of it for penalty points.

Be intresting to see if it did come to a court case,because again vauge definitions in legislation…it seems tho there is truth in the rumour that AGS/DOJ ARE on a drive to decrease the numbers of licenses out there by any means possible

This thread has jumped from a few penalty points to prosections and drink driving.

Anyone got a letter of refusal or revocation that cites too many penalty points as a reason for refusal ?

Otherwise, this is just nonsense.

It's discussion, that's grown legs and run off down "what if" street, at some speed, tbf ;-)

Here's one, what if someone is prosecuted for not paying their TV licence (which they'd refused to pay, in protest at the endless shenanigans going on at RTE), should they be refused a firearms licence assuming no other issues?

How about someone who owns a small business, made a mistake on VAT returns, and gets done, but clears the amount in question, should they be refused a firearms licence?

There's endless "what if" scenarios, and I personally think that it's a bad idea speculating about what might happen etc.

I'm personally for sticking to the law, or specific issues that actually arise :-)

Exactly, these sort of rumours are absolute rubbish. We have enough issues with real laws.

Penalty points are just statutory summary offences, not Criminal Offences.

Dangerous driving and so forth is where the issue starts to become more serious and thereby relevant in relation to firearms.

Incidentally, to go over something mentioned already, not having a TV licence can result in a Criminal conviction. Something to keep in mind.

, To go over something mentioned already, not having a TV licence can result in a Criminal conviction. Something to keep in mind.

At absolute last resort and defiance of the court. They will throw the charge if you buy a license and submit to the state demand for money with the menace for a device that is becoming as quaint as an 8-track or Gramaohone player in reality.

Be some right joke in court if that was the only reason you were being refused a license. Falling out of the pub and being caught DUI for the 3rd time and known for clattering the significant other regularly while under the influence might be a different and justifiable story altogether.

IF the rumour and bar stool talk from what is said at the start of the thread would come to fruit,my point is,all of what ive mentioned all result in penalty points

When has lack of law ever stopped AGS making up their own?

Lads, at this stage I think it’s safe to say

“paper never refuse's ink”,

“a gossiper is a gossiper” end of…

“rumours abound when little people have little else to talk about”, (my Late Mothers favourite),

“pub gossip is the worst of all”.

Even if said gossip’s has a shred of proof in it, at best its total conjecture.

Yes, in days of old we’ve all heard of a lad who drank too much/loudmouth/local pest/etc and the local Sgt confiscated his firearm (usually shotgun) in an effort to straighten him out, a friendly warning as they say, trying to lead a lad on the straight road.

Does it happen today, I don’t know, probably on the odd occasion but it’s the local Super who makes these decisions now. The local Sgt who knew everything/everyone is old hat.

Let’s also not forget our legislation, lots of offences/charges here are probably classified as misdemeanours (even though we don’t use that term here).

There is a big difference between minor breaches of the law and criminal charges.

Enough said, rant over for today, happy now……

Does it happen today, I don’t know, probably on the odd occasion but it’s the local Super who makes these decisions now. The local Sgt who knew everything/everyone is old hat.

Yes, it does happen! If things get ugly and downright malicious in your marriage and your better half decides to start her plan of destroying your life. All she has to do is ring the Gardai and state "You are threatening to shoot her and kill all the kids down in the local primary school after you have killed your own!" Or the like.

You'll be assured of an entire compliment of AGS including the ARU down at your house to remove your firearms on the word of a malicious woman. You have, NO immediate defence, NO right to appeal this until after your divorce which can take 7-plus years, maybe, or you have moved out of the family house and changed address. This is why Americans are going ballistic about the so-called "red flag laws"

This has happened to at least a half dozen former gunowners I have known and were clients back in my PI days who had this thrown up at them and got their licensed firearms removed. Not revoked, removed.IOW there was no formal revocation as there was no good reason and the paperwork could then be challenged,"removing them to Garda custody" leaves you in a legal limbo of having to prove you are no threat and that your soon-to-be ex was making up the story to the Super.

Always said it. If your marriage/relationship is going rocky or looks like crashing. Get your guns out of the equation and house, if you want to keep and keep using them. Move them into storage in a local gun dealer, and get a receipt for them,which you keep in the gun safe.So that if this above scenario ever happens

You have [1]secured them from an arbitrary confiscation. Until you ever get a formal written revocation you can still use them and return them to the GD after a day's shooting.

[2] You proved your safe gun owner foresight by removing them from a possible future ugly domestic scene.

[3]You now have a recorded police incident, instigated by your Ex, that shows she isn't the full shilling, claiming you were going to do something criminal,but had already removed your firearms because of your concern of your marriage long before the aGS got involved, thus wasting police time as well. Will be of use to your future divorce lawyer if they are up to their job.

No truth in that, had 9 points on my licence at one stage, all points gotten coming from or going to the range. No issues what so ever.