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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I’ve actually seen it policed in the Alfie Byrne Road. Afaik, a special permit is needed - whether it’s policed constantly I cannot answer.

    Anyhow this topic is about the Quays more so than just artics, so apologies Mods for diverting the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    The aim of the scheme is to reduce through traffic through the city centre. Even at that it's watered down. So yes, if more trucks use the Port tunnel and M50 that's fine.

    You also have to factor in the green improvement to the city centre with less vehicles and trucks. So there should be a green benefit in parts of the city centre where people actually are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Disco24


    Interesting the Dublin Chambers of Commerce, 1000 members are in favour. Dublin Town are on the fence I think. Then NTA, Dublin Bus also supporting. That's very few business against it.

    The story from cafe worker of ppl driving into town for a cup of coffee is mind boggling to say the least.

    This will make bus and luas travel quicker and perhaps reduce the instances of accidents at train crossings in the south city if car usage drops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Indeed it's a very positive scheme. It's a pity that the left turn to OCS is retained but hopefully that'll be eroded away pretty quick if enough pedestrians just dominate the space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Yeah. OCS Northbound is just a very messy street in general. It almost needs its own plan after this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Disco24


    If traffic obeys the new rules it will push traffic up OCS and into Mountjoy Square via Belvedere college. Messy up there already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Doesn't make sense for cars going to the east of the city to go up OCS, they're more likely to turn left at jervis street or even further west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Disco24


    In short term some will go as far along the quays as they can then turn off when forced. If they're heading for east link/ Sam beckett Bridge and using quays it will be likely NCR or Gardenier St to get back on quays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    I don't think there'll be that many cars after a few days, and a trip around OCS, Parnell St and Dorset St might encourage them to find a different route the next time.

    Post edited by Daith on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,666 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    This statement displays a deliberate obtuseness about the nature of economic activity in the City and more generally.

    There are many, many commercial operations between the Canals that originate or require HGV transit. Guinness are but one example.

    How many large scale building sites are in the vicinity of these new restrictions, for example? At least a dozen, including the site of College Square, Ireland's next tallest building contender.

    How many busy retailers overturn large volumes and get their goods in articulated trucks? All the supermarkets for starters. Dunnes on Henry Street, George's Street and Mercer Street/SGC. Super Valu on Aston Quay. Tesco on Fleet St. And thats without even mentioning a dozen more large convenience stores.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Thank You for this post, which I fully agree with. I’ll add to Your list: Penneys in OCS, how is their articulated delivery truck supposed to get there ( it unloads in Prince’s Street )?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    Get there from where exactly? OCS and Bachelors Quay are barely changed for one thing. They can still take right turn from Burgh Quay to O'Connell Bridge also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Their goods come in a DSV short trailer. I’ve seen it deliver loads of times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    I was asking you what in the traffic restriction plans would stop them getting delivered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Apologies Daith. I was replying to cgcsb who wrote:

    You do know that we have a 5 axle ban in Dublin right? We don't want artics in the city period.

    It’s this post I was referring to. Also I’d love to know who is ‘we’ and what authority they have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭markpb


    Dublin City Council introduced the ban using bylaws. They’re the road authority so they can control the use of roads under their jurisdiction. The ban has been around since 2007 and had exemptions based on time and need so it’s not going to come as a surprise to anyone doing deliveries in the city centre. The new turning restrictions are also not going to stop anyone getting their deliveries, it will just change the route they need to take to get there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Are there any physical changes to the road layouts to facilitate this change? I know they were talking about doing a nice wider footpath along Bachelors Walk at the junction with O'Connell Street. Will they do this now, even as a temporary measure?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    I'm fairly sure that isn't happening now, at least not in it's current guise, as the changes to Bachelors Walk are more limited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,666 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And increase emissions as a consequence. A lot.

    Isn't that what they are telling us this plan is supposed to reduce?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,666 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Little bit of a Pop Quiz for the zealous proponents on here.

    I've collected my beloved from her job in the Docklands. Its lashing rain and I'm dropping her off at The Clarence for cocktails with the girlos.

    I'm at the lights on Burgh Quay facing Aston Quay, yet its 5pm, so there I cannot go.

    How do I get to The Clarence?

    Bear in mind...

    College Green, not an option.

    Westmoreland St to Fleet St, not an option

    Capel Street, not an option.

    Anyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Walk, take the luas... you're being obtuse. Who the f**k needs to be driven from the ifsc to the clarence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭NotInventedHere


    Take the Luas from Docklands to Jervis st and walk 400m to the Clarence. Use a good umbrella



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭markpb


    Nope. DCC said that they want to reduce the volume of through-traffic from the city centre, making it a more pleasant place to be and giving more space to active and public transport. A byproduct is that emissions in the affected area will fall but that’s not their goal.

    I know you’re trying to suggest that the people driving on the affected roads today will all continue to drive and there will be additional congestion on alternate roads but there’s plenty of experience worldwide to suggest that that won’t happen. Certainly the first few weeks will be difficult as people (and their sat nav apps) adjust, there’s no argument about that. During that adjustment period, some people will choose not to drive any more. The remaining people will be split across various routes (both through the city centre and the M50), each one experiencing some increase in traffic but none taking the entire brunt of the restrictions.

    For the people who don’t drive, some will take alternate modes of transport like walking, cycling, e-scooters, etc. Others will take public transport. Others may evaluate their journey and decide that actually their other half isn’t made of sugar and doesn’t need to be driven a very short distance across the city centre. Losing those kinds of trips is no loss to the city centre at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭NotInventedHere


    Or take the C1 bus which would leave her outside the door and take only 13min. You won't need to go into town at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Tell her to order a cab? It's hard to know if you're actually serious with these ridiculous scenarios.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    He's a troll guys, stop feeding him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    This exact scenario is why these new measures are needed. Cars on our city's streets that have no reason to be there.

    Once implemented people will realise that it will be an absolute pain to drive into the city and then suddenly "discover" public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,711 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu




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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Individual emissions are important to reduce, but more essential is our collective emissions.

    In the grand scheme of things, even if some people's individual emissions increase, it will still be a net gain when the overall emissions decrease.



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