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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I’m obsessed? Lol.

    It’s been clear as day for quite some time they don’t want this vote and won’t chase it.
    You are obsessing about them changing tack to get this vote back. It’s embarassing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Here is a link to the interview if anyone wants to listen. Starts around 1 minute in.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/today-with-claire-byrne/2024/0724/1461562-today-with-claire-byrne-wednesday-24-july-2024/

    Brian Cowen's early morning infamous interview seems sensible compared to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭touts


    It's certainly up there with Brian Cowen's Galway interview and Maria Bailey's "I'm the real victim here" interview.

    She is fast becoming Sinn Fein's Joe Biden. And it only ends for her the same way it has ended for Biden. The sooner she recognises that the better for the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The desperation is very clear here.
    Cowen's interview had every single opposition party and even his own party in uproar for days if not weeks.
    Seems to me another female TD complaining about her treatment by an arrogant agenda driven journalist is today's news.

    Maybe MLMD's term is coming to an end but comparing her to a drunken FFer is a bit cringe tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,977 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The "drunken FFer" had some excuse….MLMCD had none.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She does Brendan, the host was smug, rude and didn't allow her answer…you could call him an 'attack dog' in fact. Guess who said this about him in the past?



    Fair play to Darragh O’Brien.....ripped out Boucher Hayes a new one.

    maybe if I got good odds on Oliver Callan the ‘sultan of Shill’or  Boucher Hayes, the ‘Sultan of Smug’ I might risk a brown note..

     Boucher Hayes and his attack dog Lenihan spend the last 15 mins trying to pour shade on the Government. Ok they are making a bollox of things but absolutely no balance....

    Boucher Hayes for me comes across as an over smug individual

    Yes, it was YOU Brendan. Seems all the attributes you complain about are useful when it comes to having a go at the Shinners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If Government produce a policy you see the cost in the next budget when its implemented. Take the RTE funding, they have produced a three year funding model so it's there for all to see.

    SF expects to produce policy documents with no funding costs or predictions. 800 extra PS will cost 50 million and that is only the tip of the iceberg. Government build accommodation probably another 3-5 billion. This is similar to there housing policy it targeted at those that have no grasp of economics. There goes any extra tax relief for workers for the next 5 years. Not only that the more you look at there policies you are looking at significant tax rises to fund them

    MLMD taught she should be allowed to maje a party political broadcast

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    But isn't that the game here

    You try to rip out the ffg'ers and they do your party,why are you complaining?

    You've also just presented evidence again that PBH is impartial,he treats everyone the same,and an attack dog interviewer

    If SF perform as bad as yesterday with him on other topics,do you know,they're goosed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody has been able to produce a policy on immigration with 'costs' produced by any of the parties vying to be the next government.
    I would sincerely hope that government spending (a different thing to what was asked for) would be included in actual budgets.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’ve just listened to Mary-Lou’s RTE interview with B-H, good Lord, she was like a cranky child, for the main opposition leader to get bent out of shape when asked about the cost of some of her party’s initiatives is at best lacking in preparation, at worst, gross ineptitude for going gung-ho whilst not knowing the costs involved. But then to accuse the interviewer of “nit picking” and rudeness for asking the questions in the manner he did, well that was disastrous.
    It certainly appears that Mary Lou is losing her bearings at the worst possible time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    It's almost like she's been spending too much time listening to their online trolls. She's reached the point of taking offence if someone dares to question her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He may be 'impartial' but that doesn't excuse his overbearing and rude behaviour.

    Again, he gave no chance for the interviewee to properly respond, made statements on behalf of the government he point blank refused to allow a proper reply to.

    If you think it is a journalist's job to do that then you are part of the problem tbh. Imagine it in reverse - a journalist makes a statement on behalf of SF or The Labour party and refuses to allow that be contested…you'd be chatting about Pravda or such like.
    BTW I have no great like for Catherine Martin's tenure as Arts Minister but I can appreciate her criticism of a screaming journalist intent on driving home his agenda.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That doesn’t excuse her not knowing how much her policy initiatives are going to cost, and given her tendency to harangue the government in the Dail (which I have no problem with, as it is also their job to answer the hard questions when asked), it was unprofessional to then attack a interviewer for asking very pertinent questions which listeners want to know the answers to. We all know from experience that politicians will waffle during interviews and try and steer the topic away from something they don’t want to talk about, the interviewer sometimes has to be abrupt to keep the conversation on point.

    Even the most short sighted SF supporters must now have concerns over her performance as leader over the last year. If you haven’t, then you should, the last 12 months should have been the political equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel, housing crisis/emigration/cost of living/law and order/health service etc, and SF have literally butchered every oppprtunity presented to them by the current government. That has to fall on the leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    Is there any evidence of you complaining when its not a SF person on the receiving end?

    We cannot be pots and kettles here

    I think he's an arsè by the way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'attack'?

    Dear me.

    If you want an honest opinion on SF's performance I reckon a lot of what has happened has been out of their hands.
    I support them, as I said before, not chasing the vote that seems to have gone elsewhere.
    I call that good, long tern leadership to be honest, even if it means a period in the doldrums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,373 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    She’s starting to sound like Trump when the media ask him awkward questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He allowed her the first 5-6 minutes to give a virtual party political broadcast on it. Then when he asked a question she wanted to return to the PPB, when he probed about costings she played the your interrupting me and I am not in goverment.

    TBH I expect she knew tge costings but they are ginormous and it's a policy that will never be put in place she knew this but dud not want to have to dwell on the question.

    After SF started to sue RTE they stepped back from hard interviewing of SF. Now that this has changed SF are not ready for the robust interviews

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 540 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    I've listened to the interview with the Sinn Féin leader, but I don't recognise the characterisation of Boucher-Hayes as "overbearing and rude". He was, if anything, coldly polite in focusing on trying to get straight answers to relevant questions about the policy document, which Mary Lou tried to swat away by claiming that he was rude.

    Can you point out what the interviewer said that was overbearing and rude?



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have never been anywhere else but in the doldrums in the South, and have utterly, shamefully, wasted the opportunities given to the party over the last 12 months to capitalise of the current governments inadequacies.

    Francie, I’m not sure that you understand politics in even its most rudimentary form. To be elected, to government, you need the support of the electorate. That means chasing votes by putting forward good policy, if you are content to roll on with just the core SF voter, then you must accept, you will never govern in the South, and as a consequence, never be in a position to influence when a referendum is called on unifying Ireland. SF must increase their voter share to achieve anything of consequence, and why you think it is good leadership NOT to chase those votes, is incredulous.

    It would appear that ML is of the same viewpoint as you, she seems determined to ship as many of the more recent supporters as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He made a statement on behalf of the government - that 'communication/consultation was taking place and that audits had been done (I quoted what he said verbatim earlier) when MLMD tried to counter that he flat out refused to let her, shouting over her and trying to move on.
    To me that was when the interview went south.
    He then got the the purpose of the civil servants totally wrong and didn't take kindly to being corrected…which was when she said he was being rude.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That means chasing votes

    And they are by all the signs NOT going to chase a vote they don't want…no matter how much people salivate about them doing that. Pandering to that vote is not 'good policy' IMO whatever about the other policy they present.

    I support that, even if it means another 4 years of FF and FG and whoever.

    P.S. I also think the government are leading a charmed life and the chickens of responsibility for the mess of immigration will eventually come home to roost where they belong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 540 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    But did Boucher-Hayes say anything that is not true?



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Then you will have to accept your place on the bench,

    You will have many years to look back on the term of this Government as the best opportunity to make a breakthrough, and SF dropped the ball in the most negligent, incompetent fashion.

    What better circumstances would SF need to be elected to Govern? And yet their suppprt is sinking, that is catastrophic mismanagement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    When MLMD agreed that the policy of consultation and audit was the same as the government's stated policy, any decent journalist interested in properly probing a policy would have allowed the conversation to go there.
    What happened was PBH did not allow MLMD to outline what was different. As she said, what the government say is different to what they do in reality.
    That is the nub of this. Lip service to addressing the problems versus actually addressing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Then you will have to accept your place on the bench,

    The reason I no longer vote for FF or FG was that they were too interested in the place on bench and have grown arrogant.

    No problem here not buying into false promises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭standardg60


    They are chasing those votes though. At the very beginning of the interview before talking about consultation and audits she clearly stated that accommodation centres should not be placed in 'deprived' areas 'at all'. So in other words SF would not place centres in areas where their support is strongest and would put them where their support is weakest.

    Sounds like chasing votes to me.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So, here we have the classic stereotyping. All people who live in under resourced deprived areas are 'far right'.

    Lovely.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eh, the bench being the people on the sidelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Apologies, rushed my answer. I think you know what I mean't, if you don't just say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    Yeah but,is there a community in the country that would say yes,there isn't

    Meanwhile,you've 100's piling up with nowhere to go

    So whats in the policy to deal with that ? Nothing,which leads us to @Bass Reeves 's point,it was never a policy but more of a ruse to tempt back the SF core that have been pyed pipered behind the tricolour usurpers wasn't it?

    I don't envy SF head office



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