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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh, they'll tear it up coz PBH got snippy and rude. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    @FrancieBrady blaming the MSM media is a dirty old trick.

    Hilarious as well.

    You don't have an ounce or a shred of credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    No, but they will hide it as its becomes a joke, less than 24 hours after its launch…

    I am surprised at the competence of SF lately. I thought they were well run for a time, but jesus, I think they were just lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Tripling the number of public servants is something that can easily be costed. I just gave it to you.

    I had a look at the Sinn Fein plan, they envisage 800 extra public servants, which costs €56m. Simple as that. It could be a question on the Junior Cert Maths paper.

    Q: If the average cost of a civil servant is €70,000, how much do 800 civil servants cost?

    SF A: We don't know and can't be bothered trying to figure it out.

    Yes, the problem needs fixing, the government is fixing it, see the 18-page strategy they have published compared to the back of a Belfast beermat half page from Sinn Fein.

    I said on here a few weeks ago that Sinn Fein was still fighting the last general election campaign with its call for "change". The next general election will see the electorate considering that the government is fixing the problems but progress has been too slow. If the government is to lose the next election, it will be to a party which can credibly demonstrate that it has the ideas, the capacity and the capability to speed things up. Neither SF's policy nor it's record in the North or on local councils gives any indication that they are the party. Today's car crash on immigration only proves that.



  • Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As i said, none were difficult questions yet she still struggled. Wasn't much of a grilling at all so not great questions but a good interview as entertainment as she floundered so badly.

    So what are the differences between the SF and Government audit protocols?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    6 minutes in.
    PBH makes a statement, this is it word for word:
    'What people might misunderstand listening to you there is that these audits are actually happening already, this data is being used, there is a process of engagement and consultation that is ongoing…' (MLMD tries to interject) and he flat out denies her a chance to respond.
    We can all make up our own minds what was happening there tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You didn't listen to the interview, plain as day.
    She didn't refuse to cost it, she contradicted what he claimed this extra staff was for.
    If an interviewer doesn't know how staff are paid then that I suggest is his own problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Did you also listen to the interview?
    When asked by PBH was it not the same policy as the government to want to move from private suppliers to public supply, MLMD agreed it was, but that what the government say and what they do is not the same thing. They have had 5 years to do it and haven't. Look at the eyewatering figures being given to private entities released today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The government published an 18-page detailed strategy four months ago, and you are castigating them for not implementing it by now?

    Meanwhile, SF draft up half a page on the back of a Belfast beermat and MLMD can't even explain it! Don't think she is up for detail at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Best to leave MLMD where she is to cause more mayhem for SF. I don't want to see her replaced since I'd fear it could be by Martin Ferris or some other beardy supporter of violence against the State.

    There was always an undercurrent of cordite from the lot of them. They tried to cover it up and dress it up with this that and the other "Change". The biggest non issue is their continual push for a United Ireland. I'd say the majority of people in Ireland have that on the lowest rung of their wishlist ladder right now.

    Wonder what the backroom people in Belfast are thinking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I see we've now moved on to stealing the tactics of that great Friends of Sinn Féin fundraiser, Donald Trump.

    MLMD's inability to accept being challenged on anything is actually all just a conspiracy in the lamestream media against SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is the usual nonsense.
    I quoted PBH word for word making a statement on behalf of the sitting government which he point blank refused to be challenged on.

    This one 'where are the audits and how was the likes of Coolock chosen over elsewhere' should run and run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The usual nonsense on this thread is the mix of whataboutery and utter tripe you've posted for the past few hours to try adn deflect from MLMD having yet another disaster of a media performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭standardg60


    The residents destabilise their communities themselves, it's nothing to do with being vulnerable claptrap or Government policy.

    There was a local resident on PK yesterday who claimed the gardai had ladders and where climbing into the CP factory and setting fire to it themselves, people just needed to 'open their eyes ' to what was going on. I mean JFC how would anyone consult with these people?

    The reality is that once opened the centre would have no affect on any of them, none, like every other centre doesn't. What the current protests and riots do reveal is the amount of feral scum that exist within our own communities due to generous SW and lax justice system. One only has to look at those charged with looting on the news last night, two of whom could only return to D1 to collect their dole on a Monday.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It seems that the media asked the wrong questions is the latest line!!

    The only true thing that MLMD said was that she wasn't the minister. She probably never will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Oliver Callan had a very reasonable community worker involved with residents for years on this morning. He categorically denied that there was any local consultation/communication.
    The Crown factory facility came as a total surprise to him.

    Decent journalists would be trying to find out the truth, nobody in RTE Current Affairs seems bothered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,073 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,245 ✭✭✭standardg60


    So what? What consultation is required, it's just a thinly veiled buzzword for those who think they should have a veto over who moves into their area, no one gets to decide that in a free country.

    You've long said your area is nigh on 50% migrants, do you think you should have been consulted beforehand?

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    It's your government who are claiming (and the radio host PBH) that proper consultation/communication is being carried out.

    Is it adequate? Clearly not, if a well known community person in Coolock can say it came as a complete surprise.
    I don't know if he is telling the truth, I asked was there a diligent journalist willing to find out the truth.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You are correct, all of the right-wing idiots talk about consultation and services. Some politicians like MLMD are now dog-whistling to that agenda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The leader of your party, the one you vote for was extolling at length that the government were fully consulting with the community and carrying out audits just yesterday. The far right dog whistler himself, Eamon Ryan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, they are, and they have been, but it is the racists and the dog-whistlers who are saying that there hasn't been enough, which is code for we don't want them here. MLMD is playing to that far-right agenda, Eamon Ryan isn't.

    You have proven my point with your contribution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, they are, and they have been, 

    Can you prove that?

    Can you contradict the guy from Coolock, a longtime community activist who claims the Crown Paints facility came as a 'complete surprise' to anyone involved with the community?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    The Irish times can contradict the guy on Callan yes

    Clearly he wasn't aware of meetings in March and April

    Since those did actually happen,he is not correct to say there was zero consultation

    That being said,consulting anywhere at this stage will get a No but we still have obligations to accomadate these migrants untill they are processed

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/07/17/information-vacuum-allowed-far-right-to-stoke-coolock-fears/

    Mary Lou was stupid not to have figures this morning,pure stupid,she needed them to properly argue the case for hiring more inspectors

    Wishy washy policy documents a transition year student could write and get low marks for,are a stupid idea period

    Probably designed to waffle their way out of a dilemma posed by the tricolour usurping far right but do ya know it's going to do the opposote for SF,What on earth are they at,it has to be asked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If that is the kind of 'communication' - an 'email' and 'invite only meeting', that suffices, the future might be rough for government and it's support tbh.
    And that is before we get around to these 'audits' Ryan claims were completed and chose the likes of Coolock.
    Maybe the focus on MLMD is to keep focus away from the above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    There was a meeting though

    Callans guest was wrong

    Callan must have missed the piece in the IT in his paper review



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You can call ‘invite only’ meetings communication if you want, others would call it something else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    The worrying thing is most of the actors in the protests are usually in SF's voter pool not the governments

    Ergo I would argue SF would want to be doing a lot better than todays miserable effort to placate them towards SF being the answer

    And it was miserable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Turn to the far right?

    Has that salivating not stopped at this stage?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭pureza


    You're obsessed with every criticism of SF's slipshod performance handling the flag usurpers hijacking of the vote being a request for it to go far right

    Weak waffle today,with no specifics,who in SF's offices came up with that strategy?

    Who is going to be the clever one here SF or the likes of II ?



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