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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

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  • #5822
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,747 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    No need to replace the track. You just need to close at-grade crossings and change the platforms (higher, automated barriers for automated Metro trains)



  • #5823
    OisinCooke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭OisinCooke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364395#Comment_122364395

    Other options as in other alignments for the metro through the south side? Surely the Green Line is the easiest and by far the cheapest option…?



  • #5824
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364432#Comment_122364432

    I believe it will be both a metro depot and a Luas depot.



  • #5825
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361974#Comment_122361974

    nope.
    New power systems have to be installed also.



  • #5826
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Can you link to where it says a 9 month closure to get:

    The tie In done

    All station heights changed

    All new electrical substations and OHL converted to metro standard.

    Fitting of barrier doors on platforms due to driverless trains.



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  • #5827
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364898#Comment_122364898

    I would have thought that the power could be done in advance of the conversion.



  • #5828
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364924#Comment_122364924

    How?
    Luas uses one power system, metro another.
    You can’t run a luas on a metro voltage and vice versa- hence a closure needed to change out switch gear substations possibly OHL etc.

    This has been discussed before on here or one of the other metrolink threads.



  • #5829
    AngryLips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122363744#Comment_122363744

    It's so nuts to me that a Metrolink going to Sandyford will completely bypass Ranelagh when it is one of the biggest trip generators on the route.



  • #5830
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364954#Comment_122364954

    I think it is a function of how it has to come back above ground. Anyway, going one stop on the Luas to get a metro is not the end of the world.



  • #5831
    OisinCooke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭OisinCooke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364915#Comment_122364915

    I think it refers to a 9 month closure for the whole line south of Ranelagh, the tie in would take much longer to compete but the line south of Beechwood could continue operating while this is happening whereas when the platform heights need to be raised, power systems and signalling upgraded etc, the whole line will need closure.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364954#Comment_122364954

    Also agree wholeheartedly with this, it seems a bit silly that it’s the one stop on the line not being given a metro stop, however I think the metro is only expected to come above ground between Ranelagh and Beechwood according to the most recent report, due to minimising impact on housing. The Green Line would then elevate above the metro and both would have an interchange station at Beechwood, the metro one where the current Luas one is and the Luas one on the western side of the road. I’ve seen a separate detailed report on only this a while ago which explains everything but I can’t find it now



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  • #5832
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Thanks for that explanation. The map in this post must be out of date then, as I couldn't get it to reconcile with the latest tie-in plan.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362777#Comment_122362777

    So here is my understanding of the situation :

    Charlemont: Existing Luas elevated, future Metrolink underground

    Ranelagh: Existing Luas elevated, Metrolink tunnelled underneath but no station

    Beechwood: Existing Luas moved north, at-grade (or will it be elevated?); Metrolink underground (or will it be at-grade?)



  • #5833
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    One last thing - can they rename Stillorgan stop, as it's nowhere near Stillorgan? Should be called Sandyford North.



  • #5834
    gjim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭gjim


    The only way to include Ranelagh would be to tie-in at Peter's Place but while this was included as an option to be examined in an early version of the design (involving cut n' cover along Earlsfort terrace) - this was before they "discovered" the canal sewer 🙄. We've trashed this subject before so I don't want to do it again - most disagreed with me from what I recall but I believed this option to be worth examining again - not only to provide a metro station in Ranelagh but also to provide a more natural path for extending what's left of the southern green line - as an on-street tram from Harcourt in the Rathmines or Ringsend direction.



  • #5835
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,747 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Not to backseat mod or anything, but just to note there is a separate thread for Green Line upgrade (and alternative routings) related chat:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058204309/metrolink-south-of-charlemont


  • #5836
    jwm121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭jwm121


    Whats the current status on the railway order? At the moment when is it planning permission expected to be given and then when is construction expected to start and where?



  • #5837
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393762#Comment_122393762

    If I remember correctly, it went in after the DART West application, which still hasn't come out, so there must be more time.



  • #5838
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122393762#Comment_122393762

    During the oral hearings, ABP told TII to do another consultation on the changes that have been made to the application since it was first submitted. As frustrating as this is, it is also correct, as the number of changes is quite large, and cumulatively means that they're quite extensive. To not have a consultation on it would leave the project open to judicial review.

    Since the oral hearings finished, we have not heard anything from TII about the next consultation. Hopefully it is launched soon, with it sent into ABP this year, which would suggest a decision on it next year, all going well.

    Sadly, it will almost certainly be judicial reviewed. While TII have done great work removing objections from various organisations along the line, there is significant resistance to the project around Charlemont and Albert College Park. Nothing short of removing the Charlemont Station will please those guys, while the ACP people may be more reasonable, but they'd still prefer a station.



  • #5839
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394772#Comment_122394772

    I've never heard of a situation like in Charlemont where locals don't want a metro station, the state is basically saying we'll double your property value for free. The Amsterdam north-south metro, which was a sh1tshow from start to finish destroyed people's homes due to subsidence but those people remained supportive of the project continuing overall.



  • #5840
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394796#Comment_122394796

    TBF as with most of these things it’s a noisy minority objecting. Some people do have real issues with things/some have irrational issues and some just like to object to all change. The use of nimby these days covers them all and it’s not fair on people with genuine concerns or issues.



  • #5841
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394772#Comment_122394772

    It will almost certainly receive an application for a JR. There is no a priori reason to believe it will be granted or that a stay will be put on construction.



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  • #5842
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394796#Comment_122394796

    I believe there was some loud opposition to the DART extension to Greystones



  • #5843
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    This will get judicial reviewed ANYWAY because someone, somewhere will find a way.



  • #5844
    CatInABox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394875#Comment_122394875

    If the Clongriffin BusConnects route can get JR'd by a single woman representing herself on something that's entirely baseless, then this will 100% be JR'd by people who can afford specialists.



  • #5845
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395002#Comment_122395002

    Has that JR actually been granted yet? I was under the impression it was still at application phase.



  • #5846
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122394772#Comment_122394772

    Why can’t TII just repeat the first consultation but just add on an extra bit in the consultation presentation about the extra changes?
    I mean the projects gonna be JR’ed anyway so just fulfill what ABP ask for as quickly as possible to allow ABP grant an RO, and allow the project to move to the JR stage.
    It would be quicker overall no?



  • #5847
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395028#Comment_122395028

    IIRC there were a few posters in the BC threads saying JR had been granted 🤯



  • #5848
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395028#Comment_122395028

    Yes, she was granted leave to run a JR. The judge said that she had done well to get over this first hurdle, but strongly suggested that she get better representation next time.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-facing-busconnects-stop-on-narrow-footpath-beside-her-home-can-challenge-plan-high-court-rules/a1720226783.html?


  • #5849
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395062#Comment_122395062

    Not doing the consultation right could, in itself, be grounds for a JR. Unfortunately there's no shortcuts with this, they are rightly taking a belt and braces approach. While it is extremely annoying, it should also reduce the likelihood of a successful JR.



  • #5850
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395098#Comment_122395098

    But if there will be a JR anyway, would it not be prudent to get into JR Stage ASAP?
    Or are JRs done on individual parts of the project as opposed to the whole project?
    Actually thinking about it- if an RO is granted but there is a JR out on the Charlemont stop on the grounds of parking etc, theoretically, could construction start up at the swords end?



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  • #5851
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122395090#Comment_122395090

    Ah, completely missed this. What an unbelievable crock of ****.

    In his ruling on Wednesday, Mr Justice Humphreys said Ms Kelly demonstrated substantial grounds for claiming the route would have disproportionate effects on her property and other rights.

    The judge said she did well to “get across the first line of defences” without legal representation against “teams of lawyers drawn from the leading ranks”, but her next hurdle is a “panorama of further procedural landmines”.

    Her submissions were “very persuasive and well-delivered”, he said, but he wanted to draw her attention to the benefits of obtaining legal representation.

    Also, what on earth are those comments supposed to be!? He is making out like she is some brave crusading hero that the govt is trying to stamp down on when she is using the legal system to her own perverse ends to the detriment of thousands of people.

    She is the procedural bloody landmine.

    Post edited by Podge_irl on


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