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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Very decent to blur out the secret service.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The anti Biden coup within the party seems to have lost its nerve (unsurprising given it came about because they well, had lost their nerve)

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/cbs-robert-costa-reports-dems-trying-to-replace-biden-now-standing-down-after-assassination-attempt-on-trump/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,058 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not sure that's the last word on the subject though. If Biden continues to falter and make gaffes, the whole thing could blow up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    That's a fair point. If he makes it through the campaign without any major difficulties that's one thing. If there are major problems later, then they may well be regarded as Cassandras. Time will tell.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I never once mentioned the Democrats in my post.

    Try again mate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Says more about the Democrats tbh.

    81 year old Biden is a terrible choice to put up against Trump.

    Hubris and arrogance from the Biden camp. Obama should have come out publicly.

    Also, maybe the Democrats are not as worried as they let on about "Dictatorship" Trump if they are standing down..

    Ya cant have it both ways, you know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Hubris and arrogance from the Biden camp."

    Still better than a rapist and racist though, eh?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    In fairness, his movement is slow and laboured, as he attempts to 'flee' the room and the questions being directed at him, that his teleprompter has no answers for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Trump thread —>

    But again, its not remarkable that one needs to talk about Trump in order to protect Biden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    why not, werent dems advised to register R to vote in certain things, looking at pics of him he doesnt look like some red neck R, if dont have a a lot to hang your hat on, Im sill willing to wait a few weeks to see what is uncovered

    Calling Trump hitler for several years has consequences but luckily Trump survived it

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,226 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He was a registered Republican, a member of a local gun club and had a YouTube gun channel tshirt on. So far no association has surfaced between him and Democrats. And I'd also not be using a person's appearance as some indicator of if one is a Republican or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    a registered R doesnt mean much , werent some Dems registering as the other party to vote in Primaries etc. Its Mon Morning and Im none the wiser "who" he is apart from being a 20 year old dork/loser

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Biden still has a very powerful tool, incumbency.

    Addressing the nation from the Oval Office is still quite a thing.

    I don't think the assassination attempt is the death knell for Biden's campaign like has been touted.

    The next Ads against Trump write themselves, montage of him encouraging violence and division to dropping to the floor holding his bloody ear looking for his shoes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I also don't think the assassination is the death knell, but unfortunately I think Biden is the death knell. The best think about this assassination attempt for the Republicans is that it was ensured Biden is the candidate which guarantees them victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,060 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "a registered R doesn't mean much"

    Conversely, if he or she was a democrat, black, mexican, Muslim or transgender it would be the ONLY ****ing thing that would matter.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There is a long long way to go yet.

    The reality is those who love Trump are going to vote Trump come whatever, those who do not like Biden or have concerns about him are still probably going to vote Biden which happened in large numbers in the last election because they absolutely detest Trump and everything he is and has done.

    What is the worst Biden can do? Have to leave office. That still denies Trump.

    The polls are all over the place at the moment, with the questions being dominated by age and fitness.

    Once it narrows it will come down to the economy, women's rights, etc. Around 10-15% of voters only decide in the last week. There is your swing.

    2 deeply unpopular candidates, I suggest it will still come down to the lesser of 2 evils.

    Which is Biden. But of course the popular vote does not win the election.

    I imagine the amount of money spent in the key states in the next few months will be epic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I've seen people saying that the undecided only become 'active' after the convention. Now the idea is being introduced that they only show up in the week before the election. I think what's happening, there, is just revising the rationale as to why the polling needle is not moving as the election draws closer.

    Anyway, even if this were to occur, the assumption that all of these people would break for Biden is a huge stretch. If they're undecided they could go either way, by definition.

    The polling isn't really all over the place. Trump has solid leads in at least five of seven battlegrounds. The other two he leads in, but well within the margin of error.

    Regarding both candidates being unpopular, Trump got 74 million votes the last time which is the most for any Republican candidate in history, and that was after the USA got a good look at him in the job. Biden got ten million more, though I would suggest that much of this was anti-Trump as opposed to pro-Biden. I think Trump's numbers are going to hold from that election, but I think Biden will be doing well to break 70 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,058 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Having said all that, Trump has not had a great three or four years since the last election. Few people could argue he is 'more' popular than in 2020 and it is very debatable that he is still as popular. The suggestion that it is a contest between two terrible and unsuitable candidates is probably a fair one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,226 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd also say the motivation of the shooter might end up shifting the conversation somewhat. It wasn't a Democrat by any measure by looks of things. So it's potentially a variety of rationales that have the likelihood to point back at things like conspiracy theories which the Trump campaign have historically been very encouraging of them. My concern is you'll get copycats that want to target the Dems which feels more likely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Strategically, wouldn't the best move for the Democrats at this stage be for Biden to step aside as president for "medical reasons", placing Harris as the young, black, female, incumbent to run against the old, white, male, rapist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,715 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If that is the plan, unlikely to happen until the convention - something to do with the funding rules, if how they have been described here is accurate. Democratic National Convention starts August 19th.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    We can muse about how bad both candidates are (and I agree they're both pretty bad) but the fact is that without some more events, one of them is going to be the next US president and right now it looks like being Trump. So, with it being a fact of life that you must play the ball how it lies, what is to be done about that?

    Something I saw said on, I think, The Rest is Politics, is that right wing American news outlets are actually pretty consistent in their messaging and they don't do so much damage to themselves with the conspiracies they sling as they do to the targets. If MAGA can talk themselves into believing that 6/1 was organised by AntiFa or the FBI, you better believe they'll have that kid painted as a far left activist by the end of this week or some kind of weird Manchurian candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump got 74 million votes the last time which is the most for any Republican candidate in history, and that was after the USA got a good look at him in the job. Biden got ten million more, though

    Biden broke Obamas record.

    Trump has solid leads in at least five of seven battlegrounds

    Which seven battlegrounds are you referring to?

    The polling isn't really all over the place.

    They are, because the focus will narrow.

    The traditional swing states overwhelming back abortion rights for instance. Can you see trump getting more of the female educated vote?

    The democrats need to rally behind Biden and get out the key messages.

    Biden needs to stay semi coherent.

    I honestly think this assassination attempt is a blessing in disguise for them.

    Even the likes of Gaza which was hurting Biden in the polls has dissipated through natural time and apathy.

    Long way to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    If Trump tones down his abusive nature he will he a shoe in. He's already suggesting he will do that, it's the smart move too. Biden looking doddery and senile at the next debate and the game is over. The chances of him not looking like that is pretty slim tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If Trump tones down his abusive nature he will he a shoe in.

    He won't because he can't. He may do it for 10 minutes at his next rally but he will back ranting and raving at clouds in no time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Trump can't help himself he will be back to the hateful rhetoric in no time.

    I see he went to play golf and hasn't mentioned to other victims at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Will we ever find out? good chance he had TDS which got its energy from the Dem/Dem media, on the other hand being a Nikki Haley supporter for example I doubt would be enough to throw anybody over the edge

    likely though that the "steal muh Democracy" crowd will take a hammering , it was funny how many loons who "wished it was a better shot" had to close their accounts.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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