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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    aw stop the cycle will ya

    shinerbot after shinnerbot has been dissembled in this and other threads on this topic , not wasting my time going round again with the next one ,

    read back the threads if you like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Pretty much. Nearly all of the PIRA activity was about controlling their own community through punishment beatings, kneecapping, rape, patrolling the streets, extortion, etc. Only a tiny minority of their activity was directed outside the community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    So your 100% is not quite 100% after all but just a rant. In the absence of policing, some action was needed to prevent anti social activity, this wasn't welcome by the anti social elements but was by everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The PIRA was a criminal gang, if you don't like that been said then I don't really care.

    You have provided nothing to prove they are not. Plenty of evidence to prove they are already on this thread.

    So instead of going around in circles with this nonsense, provide any evidence you have that they are nothing better than Kinahans etc. I expect some waffling answer as usual but that wont cut it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Why should I provide an answer, as your post says you will simply ignore it as you did when I answered you in post #1658? A discussion forum requires discussion, not an imitation of a broken record.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I don't care if you don't. Just proves they are a criminal gang. You are the one claiming they are not and can't provide any evidence to back that up

    Yes a discussion forum does require discussion, you have provided none.

    As predicted a waffling answer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Its like talking to the wall 😫 I never claimed that they were not in part a criminal gang, I said that they were not only a criminal gang.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "its like talking to the wall"

    Again another waffling answer and like most of these discussion instead of discussing the topic the person in question resorts to comments about the poster.

    PIRA was a criminal gang, the information has been provided. If you can't back up your own claims then accept and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    But I never said 100%, why are you posting lies? Here is what I said:

    The Provos were little more than a criminal gang. In fact, over 99% of their activity was that of a criminal gang, the last 1% was driven by pure sectarian hatred.

    I stand over that, and nothing you have posted contradicts that. I listed their activities as follows:

    Nearly all of the PIRA activity was about controlling their own community through punishment beatings, kneecapping, rape, patrolling the streets, extortion, etc. Only a tiny minority of their activity was directed outside the community.

    That is all factual. Only a very small amount of PIRA activity was directed outside their own community. The extortion alone dwarfed all their other activity.

    Facilitating rapists and child abusers, as the PIRA repeatedly did (clearly admitted by Gerry Adams in a later deleted blog post), was not preventing anti social activity.

    A lot of young people today have this romanticised view of the PIRA as some sort of clean cut Robin Hoods, that is as far from the reality as it is possible to get, as those of us who lived through the 1970s and 1980s can attest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Whether you approve of it or not, it cannot be denied that the Provos did conduct operations against the British, which had noting to do with 'sectarian hatred' or 'criminal activity'. When someone is denying truth in one respect then it casts doubt the the validity of their entire argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Their operations against the British were driven by sectarian hatred, criminal thuggery or nationalistic bigotry, whichever label you prefer, but there was nothing noble, glorious or admirable about anything they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭pureza


    I'm afraid,Mr Babbage does have a point of sorts

    PIRA would argue they financed their operations in the latter part of the 20th century via the bank raids etc in the same way old IRA financed things in the early part of the 20th century

    Now,they had next to no real support from 90% of the Nation but my guess would be that figure was about 70:30 if you include tacit support ie turning a blind eye

    They'll never accept that

    The sectarianism up north was mostly loaded on the unionist side

    The evidence on that is strong and irrefutable

    Ask any young nationalist harassed at UDR checkpoints,3 or 4 times a day in the 70's when his young protestant neighbour was waved on

    The growth of the IRA was reactionary In that fertile breeding ground

    Unfortunate but reactionary

    I could write a treatisè on it here but it would be simply lost in the tatting and titting,just read one of the many journals books and wstch the old episodes of today tonight

    The south was very sheltered from all that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    do you not notice a predictable pattern when engaging with the "shinnerbot" type of poster .

    denial of established historical fact , endless circular debating , whataboutery , making nutty comparisons to other conflicts, suggesting that any one who doesn't agree is a monarchist or a fffg shill, sly little digs at the victims

    or as per post 1677 claim your in the orange order

    every thread every time , its the very definition of cult like behavior

    Post edited by mikethecop on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Nationalistic bigotry, also called not wishing to occupied by a foreign country. Many people in Ireland had that and many people in Ukraine have it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Smuggling fake smokes, destroying the country with toxic sludge from washing plants and taxing drug dealers is hardly the same as taking the cash out of state institutions like a UK bank now is it ? especially when you emptying AKs into police cars for the fun of it ,

    the voting record suggests 10 percent in the north and between 1 and 1.9 percent in the south during the early to mid 80s , the height of the war . long way from 70 percent isnt it, bad guess

    we were not sheltered enough down here that we couldnt spot scumbags pretending to kill babies on our behalf,

    Most in the south are and were republicans but we still detest the things they claimed to have done in our name. and this revisionist shinner policy is an insult to those victims and those of us old enough to remember the truth , not that 70 percent support BS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    As seen through the one sided lense of an Orange man.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Im sure that sounded funny in your head but not really sure what it is supposed to mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    SF making a major tack to the right on immigration, will it win back the voters?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0713/1459739-sinn-fein-ard-comhairle/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    SF going to change their stance on immigration, not in a racist or xenophobic way, they stress. Whatever policy they come up with will be like trying to grab smoke and all the other parties will capitalise on it.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,845 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I'm looking forward to this policy paper on immigration. Hopefully it starts the ball rolling with other parties doing the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Flip flopping as usual

    If they get elected they will flip flop again

    How can anyone take them serious anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Populist party......trying to be all things to all people...except the 'wealthy elite' who will pay all the taxes required to run the country....

    Cant be trusted....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The question is who is the "wealthy elite"

    First off it was people earning 140k, then it was people earning 100k. Who will it be tomorrow?

    How could you trust a party who can make such a huge error and then try to sweep it under the carpet.

    At the same time they came out and said they would hire loads of new consultants, when it was pointed out even a starting consultant from uni would be hit with their new "tax the rich", they shrugged their shoulders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,668 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,529 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    "She said: "So, we are a republican party, we are anti-racist, we are for human rights standards, we are for the application of international law, none of that has changed."

    "We are a party of the left."

    Problem for SF is it sounds the same wishy washy international obligations bs that FFG push. So they're moving from far more open immigration side to that but at least when they'd their left wings nonsense stance they could argue from that perspective (lose vote in the process but they'd their speaking points).

    Any stance the government take immigration will be empty fluff only now SF will have a harder time arguing any side of it to keep their voters happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I know what their policy will be before they announce it

    " Speed up processing times for successful applications and make sure unsuccessful applicants are deported"

    It's what they will all say. They are all virtually indistinguishable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am confused. Do you mean what was taught in school or what was thought in school?

    Growing up in the 70s and 80s in Dublin, I never thought much of the PIRA and their sectarian "war", school didn't teach me much about it either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,094 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Inaccurate personal insults wash off me. I am far from an Orangeman. I am someone who lived in Dublin through the 70s and 80s and saw what the PIRA did, I know of people who were murdered by the PIRA, of families who were devastated by what happened, unlike the kids of today who have silly fantastical Robin Hood ideas of what the PIRA were about.



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