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Eamon Ryan resigns before the General Election.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: @theValheru853 don't post in this thread again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No he didn’t, he was aware that the Greens wouldn’t get into the next government, FF and FG always knew they would be in the running

    Calling an election before term would be a disaster for Green Party

    Again, we seem to have information which is mostly based on twitter nonsense

    if you don’t see any positives then I suggest you get off twitter and do some proper research 👍 it’s been mentioned on numerous thread on boards of what has been implemented since the last election.

    A party who will by all accounts not have a great election next time are dangerous how? Cop on to yourself



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What has twitter got to do wirh anything. If you think eamonn ryan and the rest if the greens didnt use their position to get what they wanted, you are seriously politically naive.

    And i do believe the greens are dangerous. Their behaviour around the recent referenda as one example, was exactly that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭patnor1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I refer to mod warning

    In terms of an answer, I guess you are an adult? do you really need someone to tell you as a grown up to wash out the cans?

    How exactly have you got to a situation you need a stranger online to explain to wash out cans?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No I know how the World works, you read some nonsense and repeat it here trying to make out you understand the government

    The same tripe has been fired out for years on twitter and then started to overflow here

    How can a minor player in a government, who knows they have little to no chance of reelection hold a government over a barrel. It was always the case after the last election that the Green Party best chance was a full term government and try to convince people the changes they made are good. It didn't work with the amount of online bulls**t posted by people who haven't a clue what is going on, just repeating noise they seen onlein

    The "green are dangerous" . Absolute rubbish. Explain hpw they are dangerous? in detail, exactly what they have done now or can in future that is dangerous. Not some vague one liner



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ya not going to engage with that nonsense tbh. Twitter has nothing to do with anything ive said. It seems you are very politically naive if you think a party in the greens position does not use that to sway decisions and policy, you are massively deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I get the 'dangerous' analogy. I think history will show that this unique coalition was 'unique' because it was prepared to cover up what it was doing, or not doing in the case of the Greens and the referendum. We wouldn't have known about the wrongdoing if it wasn't for journalists who operate mostly via Twitter too.
    To keep the show together it has repeatedly circled the wagons to protect TD's ministers and Taoisigh who ordinarily would have to have fallen on their swords. That is a 'dangerous' situation tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You claimed the Green party had the government over a barrel, now it sway. Two totally different statements

    Of course they can promote their agenda and hopefully sway other parties to vote to implement it

    In terms of constantly saying someone is "politically naive", repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make your point right and you have yourself corrected your own position. So good for you



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And that was the example given to clo clo, who ignored it.

    Green supporters seem to see what they want to see imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Im still waiting for those dangerous details. Mot a copy and paste of something vague from twitter



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You were given an example... the recent referenda and the AGs advice. You chose to ignore it.

    Not sure where you are seeing me copy and paste anything from twitter. You mught point out the exaxt detail of what was copied and where exactly it was copied from with a link please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    …only see mod warning, so post deleted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Green supporters or supporters of the Greens as long as they stick with FF or FG?
    There is a difference IMO and I think it's fairly obvious here.

    It's more of the circle the wagons/handwaving away we have seen since 2020.

    3 supposedly separate parties standing over behaviours that ordinarily would force a resignation or sacking is a 'dangerous' environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    So in other words you have no idea how they are dangerous. Thanks for the clarification



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You were given an example. Misleading the electorate in a referendum around the AGs advice. That is extremely dangerous and roderick did it more than once. Well documented.

    Address the above, and also address your twitter claims around my posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,786 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,726 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    At least he and his party are gone.

    Edit: They have learned nothing. See the below quote. It's an important issue for voters, most people are indeed not climate sceptics, but it doesn't drive votes. People vote for money issues not for notional ones. Climate issues have only hit people in the pocket, with higher taxes on energy and transportation, while there is no tangible benefit to the man on the street (who doesn't care about percentage reductions on a spreadsheet, but does care about the content of his wallet).

    Despite climate ranking low in every survey of voters’ priorities before the recent election, we now have detailed research that shows that the vast majority of Irish people want to be part of the climate solution. Less than 5% are what you might call climate sceptics.

    The greens have the same problem SF have. They mistake support for an idea as votes earned.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Edit: They have learned nothing. See the below quote. It's an important issue for voters, most people are indeed not climate sceptics, but it doesn't drive votes. People vote for money issues not for notional ones. Climate issues have only hit people in the pocket, with higher taxes on energy and transportation, while there is no tangible benefit to the man on the street (who doesn't care about percentage reductions on a spreadsheet, but does care about the content of his wallet).

    You do know that we will be facing much, much higher costs down the line along with the potential for massive fines for missing targets. Who will be paying for all of this?

    Despite climate ranking low in every survey of voters’ priorities before the recent election, we now have detailed research that shows that the vast majority of Irish people want to be part of the climate solution. Less than 5% are what you might call climate sceptics.

    The greens have the same problem SF have. They mistake support for an idea as votes earned.

    There was an Exit Poll survey done at the time of the election which showed that more than half believe that not enough has been done in terms of climate change despite the electorate not giving their vote to the Green Party candidates…

    More than half of people surveyed by the General Election 2024 Exit Poll believe the Government has not gone far enough on climate change, while one-in-five believe it has gone too far.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/election-24/2024/1130/1483928-election-climate/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Would the GP not have been better trying to reduce the amount of plastic in the system and going to landfill/bring burnt, instead of the DRS setup that does nothing to reduce plastic in the system.
    Most people just see DRS as a pain to do at best and a tax at worst, so no wonder the GP got hammered.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If people chose their election candidates based on the DRS scheme then they stupidly wasted their vote. Not wanting to derail this thread into one on the DRS but there was an issue before its introduction where many plastic containers were ending up in landfill or in hedges. If people see it as a tax then that is simply because they intentionally choose to see it that way. As a child, there was a deposit on glass bottles and nobody moaned about it.

    There has been a massive reduction on plastic bottles as per Coastwatch ireland's cleanup surveys…

    https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2024/10/14/deposit-return-scheme-leads-to-massive-reduction-in-plastic-bottles-and-drinks-containers-found-on-shores-by-coastwatch/

    Across Europe, there is a return rate of over 90% in similar schemes and it is expected that Ireland will follow this statistic despite the constant whinging from some about it…

    https://sensoneo.com/waste-library/deposit-return-schemes-overview-europe/

    Personally, I've bought next to no plastic bottles since the introduction of the scheme and the few that I did, I brought home for later 're-turn'ing.

    The only negative I see with it is that the large amounts of plastic that are used with other products aren't included so shopping behaviour won't change. Mushrooms bought in their blue trays with cling film rather than a feckin paper bag is one simple example.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,726 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Polls etc people only answer what is in front of them. "do you think climate change is important" "should we do more as a country to tackle it" will likely give a yes majority but "would you be happy to see tax increases for this" would likely be different. Similarly green notions are fine but the DRS scheme annoyed a lot of people. The idea is great but the actual operation of the scheme is terrible. This is why the greens got obliterated.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i agree with you in a way - in that the first step should be 'reduce' but how would the GP have done it? genuine question; a nonrefundable tax on plastic bottles to drive down consumption? they'd have been crucified on that.

    there are two issues at hand - the actual production/consumption of those bottles, and then the collection after. the latter seems to have been lowering hanging fruit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I take your point that for people who were already recycling their bottles and cans there is no real benefit, just hassle. This was designed however to target the other people - the ones that weren't recycling those items. The people who were sending them to landfill, littering them or burning them.

    This is already having an impact on those people. Reports from litter blackspots and beaches have shown a drastic reduction in the number of plastic bottles found since the scheme came in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    DRS still does nothing to reduce the amount of plastic in use in the economy though.
    That would’ve been worthwhile to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,960 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    As far as I can see it perpetuates plastic usage. I'm sure someone sends there's been a huge increase in plastic usage in Germany since the scheme came in there.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    yeah good example regarding the mushrooms.
    Another idea would’ve been the GP could’ve lobbied the rest of government to reintroduce glass bottles for soda, milk etc instead of plastic. Ie subsidised glass bottles and taxed plastic to make glass cheaper.

    I certainly don’t base my vote solely off DRS but with the GP it was death by 1000 cuts:

    Lack of movement on large PT infrastructure

    No ANPR

    Crazy energy policies (no LNG storage leaving us at the mercy of a non EU country for gas)

    Not putting enough, or any pressure really, on darragh o Brien and his stewardship of ABP as ABP is the one department holding this country back.

    DRS

    ETC ETC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,200 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    ABP is being completely replaced and there's an entire new planning system coming in.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,405 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    one big question - is glass more environmentally friendly than single use plastic, especially when our method for collecting glass does not allow for reuse (it allows for recycling)



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd have thought that the additional weight of glass bottles compared to cans or plastic bottles would make them less environmentally friendly in terms of the whole supply chain.

    Does anyone actually know?



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