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Eamon Ryan resigns before the General Election.

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  • 13-06-2024 11:21pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭


    The Green Party have done really poorly this past week. As things stand I think they are going to get destroyed in the next election.

    Perhaps it's time that Eamon Ryan take a look at the future of the party and let someone else lead the party into the election in order to salvage something.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,337 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    This is a ridiculous point of view. The Greens went into government with a set of policy objectives that they have actually followed through. None of the other parties such as the SDs or Labour were willing to do so because they know, as the Greens have from experience that the Irish Electorate stupidly always punishes the minor coalition party for not forcing the majority parties to do just follow the minor party policies. Tail wagging dog stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    No.

    Being the 3rd party in a Government is always going to be difficult. In losing Cuffe and O'Sullivan we lost our two best and most proactive and hardworking MEPs.

    Say what you like about Ryan, but in his two terms in government he has been a truly reforming minister. He believes that the planet is in trouble because of climate change, and he has done his bit in trying to change that here. Enormous investment in rail, flat fares across Dublin, supportive of the ESB's semi-state mandate to deliver offshore wind etc etc.

    He seems to be a figure of hate for farmers, but the reality is they are being squeezed not by the Green Party, but by multinationals who are paying them less and less for their produce.

    History will look very kindly on him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Yep they have been decimated. A new leader and new blood badly needed to become a progressive rather than a regressive idiot party badly needed.

    This is not the time for naps in Leinster House.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin.

    Well, thanks to the major partys we can't buy our own tinteán, and thanks to the minor party when we do get a house, there's no tinteán in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭Augme


    Even if he steps down it will make no difference. He's probably better off seeing through the election and then stepping down so Catherine Martin can have a fresh start rather than starting her tenure with a disastourous general election. I don't think he will even get elected to the Dail at the next election anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Ryan is one of the least worst options. There are some seriously charmless people in the Green Party who don't quite understand how unlovely they are.

    Remember when certain Greens rounded on Ryan and falsely accused him of being a racist? As part of a failed heave.

    The "rules" of public discourse (which many people do not accept, in fact) allow you to heap utterly outrageous accusations on people and put them on the defensive regarding "sexism and racism".

    However only a total fool would fail to realise how this makes them look in the eyes of people who are not themselves vicious careerists. Then after the failed heave Ryan had to be a 'good sport' about it because he didn't want to blow up the party.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,713 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    What good would it achieve for anyone?

    Martin would take over as leader, and whatever for her own beliefs, she comes with the baggage of her ex-PD brother who she promoted to the Seanad and who she will - thankfully, cause she did promote him - be forever associated with. Ireland has long since given up on PD politics but I don't think he has. The Greens neoliberal streak is strong there.

    Even if he quit as leader he'd likely keep the Minister role; if he didn't it would still be a GP role to reassign so we'd get another GP minister with the same ideology but now coupled with zero experience

    The last months, if ABP don't delay it, of that role will have the Minister sign off on tenders for major projects so if your aim is to damage the Greens, allowing someone new to get the credit for Metrolink and DART+ rather than the already seriously damaged Ryan isn't a good idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,366 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Tax, tax, tax.


    That’s all they’ve got to achieve their agenda.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The minister for the environment that saw grants for domestic solar and ev cars and domestic chargers cut.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Anyone remember the cringe splitter party ‘An Rabharta Glas – Green Left’? That was going to have Saoirse McHugh and some other disgruntled Green tearaways.

    From the leaks:

    'ARG believes it should “be slightly obnoxious/sassy at most times and de-emphasise politeness”. The document claims the Social Democrats will be “put out” by the launch of ARG and that the new party should be “a little bit edgier”. Plenary minutes from a meeting on December 6 show members being told “everyone go read Marx”.

    A draft strategic plan says the party will take an “intersectional, anti-imperialist and anti-colonialist approach to all policy matters'



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I'm not going to be able to get into any great debate about those decisions, but I'd imagine the thinking was that the EU decided that more of our investments in a post fossil future should be sent towards large offshore wind and green hydrogen rather than micro investments in giving people grants to do small improvements in the value of their home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Yeah, it makes sense for Ryan to stay until after the general elections - it's hard to see any better results coming their way soon and then a new leader can try to rebuild from whatever is left afterwards.

    Unless the general elections aren't until next year, then Ryan will probably stay on until then.

    Just an opinion, though - I can't say for certain what will happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Nope, the greens and Ryan don't get to blame the EU for that. That's all domestic



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    If you look at their results in local elections going back over the years, it's not actually a bad result but 2019 was a Green wave so was a record year. It's all relative. They won 12 seats in last general election also.

    The tide tends to come in and out on the Green Party, because they don't have a core base who votes for regardless like other parties. 2019 was high tide, at the moment the tides going out.

    Eamon Ryan will stay until next election at least. He's knee deep in a bunch of important public transport projects so I think he wants to get them over the line like Metrolink, BusConnects, Dart+, pedestrianising more of Dublin, Cork urban rail, local link etc...

    The backlog in ABP is slowing a lot of his plans.

    I'd imagine the Green Party will lose most of their 12 TDs in next election but it's hard to say. Catherine Martin is guaranteed to keep her seat as her constituency is gaining a seat, but after that it's impossible to call. Eamon Ryan could lose his seat.

    I've a feeling SF won't do as well as expected. I think people are beginning to realise they're the Emperor's new clothes.

    Green Party might hold 3 seats and can rebuild from there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,112 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Probably but not a hope in hell. Eamon will keep his bum in the seat till the lights go out and everyone has left the room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,112 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It would be hugely ironic if Martin keeps her seat. Surely one of the most ineffective ministers in years, across all her briefs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,039 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Ryan is on the moderate side of the greens.

    If he steps down as leader they will be obliterated as the more progressive faction takes over the party and alienates what little voterbase they had.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭tom23


    Shocking that lady can potentially hold onto her seat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    No, I'd rather he stay and be humbled come GE.

    97% of the public didn't ask to be dictated to by these zealots tax policies. Then you have ROG's immigration mess, and Martin's RTE & tourism fiascos. If ever a party needed to learn that life isn't a Disney movie.

    Back to the wilderness now until they can convert and ride the wave of the next generation of adolescents



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    This little gem from the bauld Eamon and his entirely ineffectual colleague, Senator Pippa Hackett (Minister Hackett no less), about how potholes and bad road surfaces nationwide are down to climate change really brightened my day.

    The funding was part of a €30m allocation countrywide by Minister for
    Transport Eamon Ryan and Minister of State Jack Chambers for regional
    and local roads. This is to deal specifically with the impact of climate
    change, which has contributed to a deterioration in the surface quality
    of certain parts of the network over the winter months. This emergency
    investment will assist in addressing the worst impacted areas of the
    road network.

    https://www.offalyindependent.ie/2024/06/11/over-e650k-extra-emergency-funding-for-offaly-road-repairs/



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    yea. Irrespective of an election. The amount of additional tax added to us is ridiculous

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Oh please, the man is a cabbage.

    He believes the climate is in trouble but had no problem jetting all over the globe. He is a prime example of rules for thee but not for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    We had that weak argument every St. Patrick's Day.

    If he refused to do his job as a minister representing Ireland abroad we'd most likely see him being criticised too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    No not really, you know its not just patricks day right? - He could lead by example, why have the meetings over zoom when instead you can have a nice trip at tax payers expense.

    Any that's one example of green policy bs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,785 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It didn't matter a damn what their MEPs did, they lost their seats because of the domestic Green performance. Ryan can stay or go, it won't have any effect in a GE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    A dead end party for the entitled to play Bolshevik revolution.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭bartkingcole


    what do you expect him to do? Cycle? He was leading EU negotiations.

    Is he right about the risks of climate change? Yes

    Does farming have a role in addressing it? Yes but they need a bit more common sense in how they go about it.

    Should there be greater investment in public transport and better planning? Yes.

    Does this mean no investment in roads? No - on this he needs to be a bit more balanced.

    The greens have done a reasonable job in Govt. I would like to see them keep their seats as they are different to other parties and they are certainly better for the country than a truck load of Healy-Rae’s.



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