Eamon Ryan resigns before the General Election.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946341#Comment_122946341

i know that.

Its taking way too long to be implemented.

Metrolink 2 years in ABP along with dart+ bus connects core corridors etc.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946376#Comment_122946376

why cant we wash the glass and reuse it?

Coca Cola machines in the 60s (i think) had this method until they realised that they would make far more money using plastic throwaway bottles compared with glass bottles where they provided washing stations.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946396#Comment_122946396

you can re use glass bottles by washing them- not so with plastic.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946404#Comment_122946404

we could. but then we'd need a system where all the different types of bottles could be collected and washed; it might be possible at the moment in pubs, but scale that up to retail level, where the consumer would not (almost by definition) not be consuming the product on the same premises that they purchase it. e.g. someone who buys a bottle of water or coke while wandering around the city centre. they're not going to want to carry an extra glass bottle for long.

any solution might be more complex than the problem it's trying to solve.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946410#Comment_122946410

how many people will actually reuse them? Just the home brewers?

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946424#Comment_122946424

why can’t we wash them ourselves?

tom1ie

Loads?
penalise plastic use and incentives glass bottles use plus wash at home- that’s not rocket science.
Do you have glasses for drinking out of at home?
Do you use them for different liquids at different times?

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946479#Comment_122946479

Not sure if serious?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945805#Comment_122945805

A lot of of foods use cellophane rather than cling film so the mushroom packaging may be fully recyclable/compostable.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946663#Comment_122946663

Do you wash your glass you drink milk or water or beer from at home?
Could you then wash your glass bottles that you drink milk out of at home?
Could you bring that glass bottles with you to the shops to fill it back up from a vending machine?
Or could you bring the clean glass bottles back to be dropped off at the supermarket, while you are picking up more glass bottle milk, so that industry could sanitise the bottle and re use it on their next batch of milk?

That’s two ideas off the top of my head that reduce plastic.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947438#Comment_122947438

The biggest problem is the variation in designs. If it was legislated that all 500 ml bottles were identical design and common across all brands, all jam jars were the same size shape and were all clear glass etc. Then maybe it might be logically possible to collect sort and wash. As it stands it’s only possible at pubs as the pubs sort the bottle for return.

Wonder what the cost analysis is for collecting, washing and reusing vs recycling for new.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947438#Comment_122947438

My point was they'd have to be washed before reuse anyway no matter if they were washed by the previous user or not.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947377#Comment_122947377

I guess my point was that it is unnecessary packaging, most, if not all, of which is plastic.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122947549#Comment_122947549

Mushrooms probably not the best example then as the packaging is probably minimal enough bar changing the plastic container to an organic material (which is tricky as it can't react too much with the moisture of the mushroom).

Though I do see you now as Scorpio, you can take that as a compliment or not :)

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122946396#Comment_122946396

Definitely a lot bulkier and heavier to transport anywhere.

Plus we'd end up with a lot more broken glass on our footpaths, roads and cycle lanes

magicbastarder

i'm also curious about the 'environmental economics' of aluminium. my wife bought a bottle of water in M&S recently, which is made out of aluminium. i think intended to be single use as it has a re-turn code on it (though it could be reused easily i suspect). but i wonder how that compares with plastic based on a 'collect and recycle' basis.

Hotblack Desiato

It recycles indefinitely and is valuable enough to ensure that it actually is recycled, if it's recovered.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122945841#Comment_122945841

The first step should be to REFUSE (verb) - that is do not buy/consume in the first place.

If we are to reduce carbon emissions to pre-industrial levels, then we need to begin to live like they did then.

Do we need to travel by air for three or four trips per year? Do we need to have personal vehicles (cars) to take us wherever and whenever we want? (But not private jets!) Do we need to have hundreds of pairs of shoes (and clothes) we never wear?

Cut consumption, and cut food waste, and we might get somewhere.

magicbastarder

Well, reduce and refuse are essentially the same thing in the context. Reduce your consumption, rather than trying to make your consumption somehow more 'efficient'.

Hotblack Desiato

If we are to reduce carbon emissions to pre-industrial levels, then we need to begin to live like they did then.

Nobody in their right mind is going to want to do such a thing and nobody in their right mind would ask them to.