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SA vs Ireland First Test 2024 - The World Champions vs The Best Team in the World

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    This is all based on how Sexton worked with refs, Sexton did stick up for his team mates. I remember one SA team came out and 2-3 high tackles on Leinster players. At least one off the pitch and Sexton rightly had words with the ref. More or less saying it is Sexton responsibility as captain for the safety of the players. He was 100% right

    Yet in the media and RTE they complained about his talking to the ref.

    We didn't get the rub of the green but mostly with the TMO and not the actual ref. So that wasn't down to the players on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,294 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Pearce, rightly or wrongly was visibly annoyed with how Doris was interacting with him. He spoke to Doris at least twice to tell him he wasn't happy with it.

    Maybe Doris was annoyed at the TMO but Pearce had enough of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    His annoyance after the Casey incident wasn't with Doris, it was the fact that Doris, the captain, was the third player to approach Pearce on the issue.

    Pearce also has no business "having enough of him" - Pearce was the one who came across badly on Saturday, losing his patience multiple times. Every single one of the incidents Doris highlighted to him were incidents where Ireland were legitimately entitled to seek a review, most especially the Doris try under the posts that Pearce clearly got wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    The match was a killer. Brilliant to watch. Great atmosphere and full of drama. I hope the next match is as good.

    I would assume that Snyman has contacted Casey after the match. They were team mates and are likely friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    🥱🥱🥱🤧🤧🤧😅😅😅.

    Do some munster or irish fans ever stop moaning. Even Doris was at it.

    Caseys hands still in contact with the ball. Fair tackle but a pity his head hit a rock hard surface. Get over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    TV does not want to have to draw attention to it.

    Probably shouldn't have zoomed in on the player while he was unconscious then.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    The way Kolbe hopped off the ground grounding his try, it must have been like a rock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Kelleher Break.JPG

    Lovely, flat inside pass, hard decoy line and late strike runner.

    Should be an outhalf, inside centre and full back…..but was a tighthead, loosehead and hooker.

    Not enough being made of just how good this try was.

    Bealham is about to release a flat pass in the above image. He took it right to the gain line (getting smashed as he released it as per below), the defender coming across bites on Healy and Kelleher absolutely bursts his lungs to get flat and takes it with outstretched arms at full pace.

    Front row membership revoked for all three.

    Kelleher Break2.JPG


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    I don't know what I'm more offended by - your insinuation that Irish fans love moaning or your insinuation that Avalynn Hundreds Lumberyard is a Munster fan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,061 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    One of the best tries we've scored in recent memory. Solid summation of the match in your earlier post, this match had shades of the QF, we played a lot of good rugby but had far to many errors. I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see Frawley get a game at 12, where he's best imo. Ringrose or Osborne at 13. We're missing that 2nd phase distributor that Hansen and Keenan provide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Who's moaning ?.

    Anyone (including officials) who walks onto a pitch can make a mistake & it's reasonable to assume that player errors get as much post match attention as their moments of outstanding play. It follows that if we are not to highlight errors in the officials performances (for the good of the game) we shouldn't critique player performances either.

    But the TMO doesn't step onto the pitch & has the advantage (which the Ref & ARs don't) of multiple angles & slow motion replays. Irrespective of the result of any match, it is reasonable for the performance of the officials to be critiqued.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Just because a SA player had poor game from the tee doesn't excuse an Irish player having an even poorer performance from the tee. Even then, Pollard scored double the points and a higher % of his kicks than Crowley.

    Ireland lost by seven and Crowley left seven points out there from missed kicks - it clearly cost us. Even taking your usual circling the wagons approach to certain players, not sure how even you can justify taking umbrage with someone pointing Crowley's poor performance from the tee.

    Not calling for Crowley to be dropped or anything but a 40% success rate as a kicker is atrocious. Simply isn't acceptable for an international level 10.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Zaylee Little Tungsten


    You can forgive a touchline conversion but one of the kicks in particular was absolutely awful as well, right in front of the posts. He missed 7 points worth of kicks in a game we lost by 7, but hey, he plays for Munster so it doesn't count!

    Mod: Trolling.

    Post edited by aloooof on


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Kamila Echoing Ringleader


    Ah yes munster...the team with the inside track on irish rugby 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 439 ✭✭The Macho Man


    At no point during Casey's time on the ground or on the stretcher did RG come over and check on him. Every game has late hits etc. and we accept its part of the game but as in Soccer you'll always see the offending player come over just as a show of respect and courtesy. If your own players can't show respect on the pitch, well, don't be surprised if we complain.

    RG sticking the head into him on the ground, doesn't look good mate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Agree with the first part - though are we 100% sure he didn't go over at any stage? We didn't have a constant feed of Casey during the whole time he was down and going off.

    The additional contact after they hit the ground is incredibly minor though. Snyman could have no idea he was knocked out at that point when he did it and keeping the opposition 9 down for a few extra seconds is standard. You see that kind of stuff dozens of times a game. If Casey wasn't unconscious no one would even mention it - which is common to the whole reaction to the incident.



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Kamila Echoing Ringleader


    I think the rg tackle has been blown out of proportion because casey got injured. It was a dog shot but thwt kind of thing will always be a part of any contract sport and its not intentionally injuring anyone. I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Ite clear and obvious he knew where the ball was and its clear and obvious his foot moves towards the ball. His foot is dragged along the floor and he makes no effort to lift his foot to avoid striking the ball. Again, all of these things point to it being an intentional movement.

    It does stand up to scrutiny. The video is clear for all to see.

    He doesn't need eyes in his ankles when the ball is touching his leg. Hence the reason he dragged his foot along the floor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    I don't follow. How does he know where the ball is so that he can consciously move his leg towards it ?. It does not seem 'clear' that his movement is deliberate. You can believe that it was, but no one other than the player himself can say with any clarity what he was consciously trying to do. Your opinion of what he was trying to do is just that, an opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭gneel


    The whole sequence of Casey getting injured is so frustrating. Snyman plays the 9 whilst in the ruck, then follows through causing the injury when Casey has already passed the ball. The scrum leads to a SA penalty which leads to Kolbe's amazing opportunist try. Should have been a penalty to Ireland under their posts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    And, insult to injury, to play it out, he awards SA a scrum, they get a penalty at the scrum, kick it to touch, and it's the one where Lowe keeps the ball alive and the others are switched off and Kolbe swoops in for an easy try.

    All from a lineout in their 22 after Casey's great 50-22. It's an infuriating sequence.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Given the utter litany of mistakes made, it would be an absurd stretch to claim Crowley's kicking cost us the game. However, it is also clearly a potential issue that has reared its head a few times and denying that is just a bit silly. He has no competitor for the jersey and he is otherwise playing decently, but he need to work on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I’d agree 100% with this, tbh. His goal kicking is an area that I’m full convinced will improve. But there’s no way it cost us the game or will cost him his place, given everything else.

    Some of the takes on this thread are just removed from reality, imo. I just don’t see any world where Prendergast starts ahead of him next week. Or where Crowley and Casey are “AIL level”.

    It’s just difficult to have a reasonable argument on here at the moment imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,294 ✭✭✭✭phog


    More so, when Pollard left 9 points to Crowley's 7 but a few posters don't want to recognise that fact.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is not relevant to whether Crowley's kicking was an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Doak and Dave Heffernan called up for Casey and Sheahan.

    Is Tom Stewart injured or has he fallen down the rankings?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    The day Prendergast puts in the defensive shift Crowley did on Saturday (and most times he plays) I'll start seriously considering him a potential international.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I mean, he may never do and still be an international. We don't have a Sexton level player, it is all going to be give and take in the position for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Hard to know from those end of season games - you don't tend to get an injury report. He played the last game of their season (came off the bench for 12 mins or so). He didn't have a stellar year IMO and slipped further behind Herring I think (after having a brilliant 22/23 season).

    Still a bit surprised to see Heffernan called back in, but given it's really only for scrummaging in training and in the event of a last min injury, it may just have been the case that Heffernan was more readily available to get on a plane. Pure speculation on my part.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Do I think Crowley should be changed for this match? no

    I did respond earlier when someone mentioned about swapping him for Frawley then why wouldn't you put in Predergast because I don't see Frawley as a 10. Maybe that kicked this all off but it was not saying to swap out Crowley

    Was Crowley kicking poor? yes

    Was it an issue on the game? yes but then again this first bad miss ended up in the following plays in a try but he still needs to improve

    Is it a good excuse to say it didn't matter because the opposition 10 missed? no it's ridiculous. In the last games v SA Ireland won becuase we had the ability to knock over our kicks and SA didn't.

    A lot of people rave about Pollard who seems to love kicking in the WC, between that he can have some really dodgy days, on those days the opposition 10 needs to take their kicks and hopefully win the game.



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