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duploelabs · 07-07-2024 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351437#Comment_122351437

Trump even had a press secretary that gave no press conferences, so I'm looking for the post of yours saying that's perfectly normal but it can't be found

rogber · 07-07-2024 06:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122349957#Comment_122349957

He did quite a good job actually but the Republicans will support anyone the democrats oppose, hence their love for Putin

Overheal · 07-07-2024 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351375#Comment_122351375

again: who?

Name one person who would challenge him in a primary and ought to have run and had a chance at winning the election?

Nobody. There is nobody with the name recognition or the base or the ability to win nationally. And the primaries confirmed that.

Whatever name you got jiggling around in your head, it’s easy to figure out party elitism isn’t why they didn’t run. Just do the math and whatever.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 07:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351911#Comment_122351911

Isn't that the point of whole primary process? To build name name recognition, a base, and test their performance under the spotlight to see if the have the ability to win nationally, and an opportunity for polling etc..

If early 2023 Biden hadn't announced he was running for reelection, credible challengers would have emerged in that process, and the winner of the nomination would have the name recognition, the base and the ability to win nationally.

Are you genuinely claiming that the party could not have found a single other candidate with the ability to beat Trump, other than the guy who the overwhelming majority have doubts about whether he is physically and mentally capable of carrying out the job for a four year term.

If that's the case then the Dems have deeper problems than just the decline of Biden.

They're now between a rock and a hard place, probably their only choice is to force Biden to stand down in favour of Harris.

everlast75 · 07-07-2024 07:42PM

Anyway, thanks to press overload there are more signs of Biden being asked/told to step aside.

What do ye think?

Will he do it?

If he will, who will replace?

Furze99 · 07-07-2024 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351437#Comment_122351437

Well as regards ego, they certainly seem to be on par.

Strazdas · 07-07-2024 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352203#Comment_122352203

They were discussing this on RTE's This Week at lunchtime today. An American professor of politics based in Paris reckons Biden will step down in August, will be replaced by Kamala Harris and that she would be the best bet from the Democrat candidates of defeating Trump.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352347#Comment_122352347

Silly to wait until August, the longer it takes the more damage is done.

AAnd if Harris is to be the replacement, she's got to field questions daily between now and then with little option but to reply with public support. This will then be weaponise d against her when she does take over.

IIf that's the eventual outcome, the sooner it happens the better.

everlast75 · 07-07-2024 09:13PM

Watch for those who asked in bad faith for Biden to step down, to start saying Harris should step aside...

Overheal · 07-07-2024 09:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352096#Comment_122352096

Biden said, in 2019, he only really wanted to serve for one term. He didn’t formally announce a 2nd term run until mid 2023 (6 months after Trump did).

If someone else in the Democratic Party wanted to put their name forward, they have had plenty, plenty of notice. And plenty of time to put together a committee and all the normal things.

They didn’t, except for those few who tried, and lost the primary by overwhelming margins.

So, therefore, this is all hot air from the shouldwouldacoulda blimp. This fabled candidate that Biden kept out of the race through “elitism” TM - doesn’t exist.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 09:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352622#Comment_122352622

Biden said, in 2019, he only really wanted to serve for one term.

This is exactly why he's so vulnerable with so many swing voters who have concerns about his age. Plenty were happy to vote for him in 2020 in the belief that his age was not a big issue, he'd get the necessary job done in seeing off Trump, and Dem's would find a successor for 2024.

They're rightly pissed off seeing him back on the ticket when they do think his age is an issue, even more so after his debate performance.

He didn’t formally announce a 2nd term run until mid 2023 (6 months after Trump did).
If someone else in the Democratic Party wanted to put their name forward, they have had plenty, plenty of notice. And plenty of time to put together a committee and all the normal things.
They didn’t, except for those few who tried, and lost the primary by overwhelming margins.

He may not have formally announced until mid 2023, but he told everybody he was considering running in early 2022. As soon as he did that, it was a warning shot that anybody going for the nomination would likely be challenging the incumbent. No serious challenger would do that.

So, therefore, this is all hot air from the shouldwouldacoulda blimp.

it's definitely shouldawouldacoulda stuff

The party leadership "should have" reminded Biden of his one term presidency chat, and discouraged him from running again.

If that had happened credible challengers "would have" emerged.

The nominee "could have" been closer to the convicted felon in the swing state polls four months out from the election.

Both Bill Clinton and Obama came out of nowhere through the primary system, beating party grandees but in both cases there was no incumbent to challenge. On the other hand no incumbent has lost nomination process since 1884.

Strong candidates do not challenge incumbents. It's politically naive to do so.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 10:02PM

I have just checked, it was actually late 2021 he said that he intended to run in 2024

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-says-biden-intends-run-again-2024-2021-11-22/

From that point on, any serious candidate would have been on notice of Biden's plans, and better off waiting to see if he formally announced his candidacy.

Overheal · 07-07-2024 10:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352678#Comment_122352678

again what other leadership?

who are these fabled people who were to step and say no I’m running

Names.

dulpit · 07-07-2024 10:07PM

Leadership like Obama, Pelosi and Schumer should have stepped up to tell Biden to step aside. That would have allowed a viable candidate or candidates to rise up. Using the primary system to gain a profile.

But it didn't happen.

That same leadership should be having words with Biden now.

Overheal · 07-07-2024 10:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352725#Comment_122352725

viable candidates didn’t need Biden to “step aside” or Obama lol to step in and tell him to either to challenge Biden. The primaries proved that.

And still no names of these mystical people just lingering in the shadows waiting for a benediction to run.

It’s a grave misunderstanding of the point of democracy itself to imagine the Democratic Party has some process where eg. Schumer or Obama or Pelosi decide if you’re able to make a run. You just announce you’re running. This isn’t like the GOP where you’re branded a RINO or a traitor for speaking against the party line.

Still eager to know who the superhero in the wings was who just, darn, was waiting for Biden to announce he wasn’t running again? If they were that unsure of their own success in the primary they needed to get out of Biden’s shadow, doesn’t sound like they had a shot to start with.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352719#Comment_122352719

II think you're being deliberately obtuse now.

IIm not talking about some putative young challenger, taking the President aside for a quiet word and telling him to pipe down about running again.

Im talking about these people:

https://democrats.org/who-we-are/leadership-2-2/

hometruths · 07-07-2024 10:25PM

Id you're right that there is no other leadership in the De m party that has any say in who the candidate is for the good of the party, you'd have to wonder why there is so much speculation on whether he will come under pressure to stand down.

who exactly can apply this pressure to suggest he stands down now who would have been unable to apply it in 2021 to suggest he should not run again?

Overheal · 07-07-2024 10:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352770#Comment_122352770

Then why mention Obama? He’s not on that list.

None of these people announced a run for 2024 POTUS.

All this talk about wanting Biden to step aside and no talk of for who? Certainly not the primary challengers who got what, 1% of the vote or so? Obtuseness is refusing to name who would fill his shoes.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 10:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352815#Comment_122352815

I only mentioned Obama in his capacity as an unknown who came through the primaries in 2008, not as part of party leadership who should have encouraged Biden not to run again.

In any event this is a pointless back and forth because Biden did run is currently the nominee.

I am confident he won't be the candidate come November.

You presumably disagree.

Only time will tell who is right.

Overheal · 07-07-2024 10:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352839#Comment_122352839

you won’t need to wait to November to find out. He isn’t going anywhere, same as the last 5 years of Biden conspiracies

And still no mention of a name of any viable alternative. That really settles it.

briany · 07-07-2024 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352815#Comment_122352815

I've seen Gavin Newsom's name being mentioned as someone who could step in and even Ron DeSantis, who Newsom debated a while ago, claimed that Newsom had been running a shadow campaign to this end.

It seems logical enough that the biggest possible contenders for the Democratic nomination aren't actually going to declare in a year where the incumbent is a Democrat already, and the protocol is therefore to remain united behind the man in the White House. This would change sharply if Biden were to announce he wasn't going to continue his candidacy, however.

One thing is for sure: If Biden loses in November, this past week will be viewed as a possible nexus point in American history and the 'what if?' question will hang heavily over Biden's legacy.

hometruths · 07-07-2024 11:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352873#Comment_122352873

I guess we could find out this week

everlast75 · 07-07-2024 11:18PM

Pretty much all over...

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1810035426591203604

For what it's worth, I 100% believe Biden would have beaten trump in November. I also believe the media contributed substantially to the call for him to step aside and I don't believe it was a call made with the best intentions.

I sincerely hope the decision is correct.

Hungry Burger · 07-07-2024 11:20PM

He’s toast. No way he will be the nominee come the convention.

EltonJohn69 · 07-07-2024 11:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352725#Comment_122352725

Apparently there was a recent phone call with Biden and Obama that did not go well and ended angrily.

EltonJohn69 · 07-07-2024 11:35PM

I agree that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122351899#Comment_122351899

Biden has not been communicating well at all about Ukraine or anything really. It’s seems to have been left up to Jake Sullivan to do the talking about Ukraine and probably handle the situation.

I do agree a lot of republicans will reflexively support anyone the democrats oppose. But that doesn’t mean Biden has been communicating well.