Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

It doesn't really matter whether the religious we sent had a positive or negative effect on Nigerians. The point is that they had an effect; they built schools, churches, brought in medicines and converted people. Doubtless some/ many of the priests who went there had their way sexually with the local population, both straight and gay. The houseboy was a feature in many the priests abode and African women/ culture had different attitudes compared to the more rigid structures left behind in Ireland. So we do have a hand and act in the history and development of Nigeria.

But I think we are straying somewhat from the main strands of this thread.

Because plenty of people have a massive issue with the Spainish doctor. Especially if he's Muslim. Pretending legal migration isn't a problem is a major case of sticking your head into the sand.

Foreigners are the problem. Legal or not it doesn't matter to a large majority of people in this thread.

I'd love to know what the long term goal is supposed to be here.

So far it looks like a way to grow and expand the welfare state but ultimately it's unsustainable because there's only so much taxpayer money to go around.

It could be a good way to grow the amount of unskilled workers available to take low paying jobs but again there's an issue of sustainability.

If it's just a tactic to grow the population just for the sake of it then you'd need to grow public services and build lots and lots of houses in order to keep pace. Unsustainable.

I wonder what the future holds for these men as previous to this crisis we already had a problem with our own younger men without prospects or opportunities. What good can possibly come of adding even more young guys to the equation?

Is the expectation that these men will move elsewhere, away from Ireland, someday?

Or is this their situation for the rest of their lives?

I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would actually want to see this is Dublin and can't understand why everyone is not 100% against it to be honest.

and add to all that, we don't have a history of heavy industry or manufacturing, an awful lot of employment is with the multinational sector who could leave when they so desire. We've a huge amount of sectors at risk from AI, farming isn't flavour of the month and our tourism is decimated.

So to answer your question, I don't believe there is a long term goal.

Our tourism industry is indeed decimated and I fear it will never recover as the issue is far greater than the current shortage of hotel beds. Many people come to Ireland for the craic and the culture but as word gets out of the extent to which the country has changed, they will soon start thinking twice about spending their hard earned to experience sights and sounds more akin to Islamabad or Mogadishu.

Holy Divine Christ himself would struggle with that logic, my god the amount of self depricating "white guilt" that is inculcated in the far left is mind blowing. As someone pointed out above the Islamic extremists of boko haram who are said to have murdered hundreds of thousands of children and Nigerians would bear more "responsibility" on actually colonising the people of nigeria. M

There is no hook for the Irish people.

the last thing Ireland needs is a bunch of men that cant speak english, have no skills and may have dodgy histories, the only people that can make money out of them are the googly eyed NGO's

I respectfully disagree. We as a society collected money widely to save the 'black babies'. We sent that money along with priests, brothers and nuns to the likes of Nigeria on the African Missions. We converted villages and towns to Catholicism, built schools to inculcate religious and other instruction into them. We gave them Irish names and in several places they play Gaelic games even now. We were part of the wider European movement to colonise and exploit Africa, albeit not quite as openly as exploiting their mineral resources. We concentrated on their human and cultural resources. We have a connection thus to parts of Nigeria and other African regions where the Missions were active.

On the other hand, we owe diddly squat to those from regions and states of an Islamic persuasion. Nothing to do with us.

I'm still convinced there's a large cohort who will be largely unaffected and even when they are will think up multiple reasons to blame other things, the ignorance and sometimes damn stupidity of the far left is astonishing

Because we sent them money and built schools we now have a duty to house them here? how bizarre

Meanwhile back in the real world, stopping immigration is in no way comparable to turning off a water supply.

Desperate people already go to great lengths to come to Europe, and while conditions remain as they are in the global south, they will continue to do so.

People who wish to flee either persecution and/or extreme poverty these days have quite ready access to information telling them how to get to Europe and live here, undocumented if necessary.

The EU already spends billions funding the likes of Turkey and Libya to stop these people, only causing more human suffering and likely actually increasing demand to get here as families get more in debt to unscrupulous people traffickers.

Simplistic approaches like 'build the wall', 'stop the boats' or turn off the water supply have and will fail. At least the UK voting public seem to have learnt these lessons with Ree-Mogg's recent promises to 'build a wall' in the English channel rightly met with derision. I think in time a wider appreciation will grow that these narratives are nothing more than lies to get cheap votes, even if some seem quite determined to keep drinking and selling the kool aid right now.

But those priests and nuns who went to Africa were not going there representing Ireland. Ireland didn't decide one day, do you know what lets send a load of priests and nuns out to Africa to spread the word of God. Those priests and nuns were there on behalf of the Vatican, not Ireland, they may have been Irish but they were only there because the Vatican sent them there. As for the money sent from collection like Trocaire, that was done to support the poor in those countries, Are you going to say the same about the money collected for those affected by the Tsumani in Indonesia in 2004 would make us responsible for those people as well?

I don't think you understand Holy Catholic Ireland of the decades from 1940s-1970s. Largely a rural society under the control of Irish clergy, large families with insufficient land to hand on, having priests/ nuns in the family was a badge of respect and also employment opportunity. We produced a huge surplus of religious in those days and the African Missions from here were very much an Irish initiative. In part to give that surplus, 'meaningful' roles to carry out. This is something we own.

You're digging really really deep here. Look sometimes it's ok to admit you were wrong. There's no shame in it. I too have no problem admitting when I got something wrong. No harm. But this line of argument you are on now is off the wall, off the Richter scale, OTT, lacks credibility. Please stop mate, you're digging way too deep.