Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338859#Comment_122338859

But those priests and nuns who went to Africa were not going there representing Ireland. Ireland didn't decide one day, do you know what lets send a load of priests and nuns out to Africa to spread the word of God. Those priests and nuns were there on behalf of the Vatican, not Ireland, they may have been Irish but they were only there because the Vatican sent them there. As for the money sent from collection like Trocaire, that was done to support the poor in those countries, Are you going to say the same about the money collected for those affected by the Tsumani in Indonesia in 2004 would make us responsible for those people as well?

Real Donald Trump

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0704/1458157-grand-canal/

Emabarrassing

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338936#Comment_122338936

I don't think you understand Holy Catholic Ireland of the decades from 1940s-1970s. Largely a rural society under the control of Irish clergy, large families with insufficient land to hand on, having priests/ nuns in the family was a badge of respect and also employment opportunity. We produced a huge surplus of religious in those days and the African Missions from here were very much an Irish initiative. In part to give that surplus, 'meaningful' roles to carry out. This is something we own.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338081#Comment_122338081

This is quite a take. "They built schools so we owe them". How was their life made worse by missionaries? Do you think that they like to go back to mud huts and witch doctors or would they have welcomed some of what was brought over with missionaries?

emo72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339132#Comment_122339132

You're digging really really deep here. Look sometimes it's ok to admit you were wrong. There's no shame in it. I too have no problem admitting when I got something wrong. No harm. But this line of argument you are on now is off the wall, off the Richter scale, OTT, lacks credibility. Please stop mate, you're digging way too deep.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339282#Comment_122339282

???

I just happen to be of the opinion that we have a greater degree of responsibility as regards immigration to certain areas of Africa where we were active on the Missions.

You don't agree. That's fine - but don't try to patronise, thank you :) The point of this site/ thread is to exchange opinions I believe? And there are nuances in the whole immigration thing. I'm as opposed to the increasing wholesale change of Irish culture here but it's not entirely black & white.

star61

Who would have ruled say Nigeria in that time - when all the religious were sent from Ireland.

Goldengirl

You have accused others of being disingenuous when they have said exactly that ..that the immigration situation is nuanced , and not black and white .

Good that you now see another side to it .

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338937#Comment_122338937

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/06/the-secretive-libyan-prisons-that-keep-migrants-out-of-europe

I don't think people realize how tough Europe already is on migration, and the efforts are failing.

The new migration pact is probably a further push in that direction, I'm pretty sure it'll fail too.

At least people will be more aware of the approach now with all the publicity the pact is getting.

Sweet.Science

https://www.thejournal.ie/direct-provision-eviction-6426814-Jul2024/

What a mess of a situation our government has caused .

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339311#Comment_122339311

2 + 2 = ABC

gym_imposter

It's about as tough as the American policy towards illegal immigration across it's southern border

fran38

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339311#Comment_122339311

You say "We have a greater responsibility ". That's where the argument breaks down. Its not that 'we' sent missionaries abroad, it was at the instruction or behest of the Catholic church/Vatican. There was no role in this whatsoever by the state or the governments of the time. Similarly with Trocaire boxes. All done through Catholic charities with no state input.

For your argument to stand up, you need to agree that Spain & Portugal are also on the hook to import & welcome economic migrants from all of South America to their lands as it was they who exported Catholicism via the conquistadors in the 1600s. What about the Calvinist protastant pilgrims who brought religion to native american indians. Is England responsible to take the decendents of Mohawk or Cree ?

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338013#Comment_122338013

Hardly incendiary. I would expect if you look at under 60s population, probably over half are either foreign born, married to a foreign born person or have a foreign born parent.

Most people might recognise there are capacity issues but there seems to be few that are presenting those issues in a way that is respectful to people with diverse non Irish backgrounds. I don't see swathes of ethnic Irish people rising up against their neighbours.

ooter

https://www.thejournal.ie/ukrainian-refugees-kilbaha-relocated-6425082-Jul2024/ ..

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339417#Comment_122339417

If EU Member States are that rigid on asylum policy as is, the implementation of policies of deterrence consistent with the Danish model would be a minor policy development - one worth pursuing considering the results obtained by Denmark.

smokingman

Genuine question to those who just want white Irish people on this island…

Read any junior cert book on biology or genetics and it'll tell you that in order to produce genetically better humans, you need diversity so we don't all end up like Charles II of Spain.

If you have pride in living on this island and calling yourself Irish, would your dream for us all involve doing your everything to ensure future generations of Irish are inbred?

Is that actually the long game here or am I misunderstanding the goal of these people?

fran38

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340044#Comment_122340044

Who in the name of **** only wants white people in Ireland? Who said that ffs? Or are you baiting/trolling.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340044#Comment_122340044

Will all the random Pakistani men be marrying white Irish women so? And not 55%-60% of the time their cousins

https://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/memberarticles/the-truth-about-first-cousin-marriages-in-pakistan#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20common%20practice,60%25%20marrying%20their%20first%20cousins.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339889#Comment_122339889

There is zero proof that Denmark's approach has done anything other than push people towards other EU countries.

Taking that approach at an EU level would only be investing further in deterrent policies which we already spend heavily on and which are failing.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.thejournal.ie/direct-provision-eviction-6426814-Jul2024/

Proof positive we are just bringing people in to live off benefits in perpetuity

If there is no capacity for them to live independently after their time in Direct provision this is literal blatant evidence that the country has no capacity left to absorb these people

Actually a joke - the exact same people shìtting their jocks whining about direct provision and how it should be abolished now whining that people are being moved on from direct provision.

All lacking even a shred of insight to realise that maybe they were actually just wrong

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339651#Comment_122339651

Well if you're even half right, that sort of demographic change is shocking and serves to prove that Irish society and culture is being continually diluted. Many of us say enough and too many.

As to the issue of housing lists, how exactly do you think it's going to go down when young Sally Ward with her two kids, living at home in a crowded house, waiting patiently to get her own place - is told to go wait since some chancers from Morocco, Algeria, Georgia wherever are being turfed out of their IPAS gaff and need to be prioritised over Sally??????

Do you know much about social housing lists here?

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340167#Comment_122340167

In instances where they are implemented policies of deterrence are effective - Sweden has reduced the rate of asylum applications by implementing policies of deterrence consistent with the Danish model. If the policies implemented by the EU and by extension Ireland presently are that rigid, then Ireland may as well implement the policies as practised in Denmark - according to you there would be little difference (except in effectiveness)!

briangriffin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338759#Comment_122338759

Do you think all asylum seekers are fleeing war and persecution? What percentage are genuine asylum seekers?

How many asylum seekers came to Ireland fleeing extreme poverty and when did we start granting asylum to people fleeing extreme poverty?

How many people do you think we can grant asylum to annually let's say for the next 5 years?

LongfordMB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338013#Comment_122338013

In a way you could argue at least jack is being honest (or more likely, politically naive)

Like where do people think these illegals go after direct provision? Rent on the open market? No chance. Vast majority unskilled, many illiterate in their own language,never mind English.

Every single last one of them will be getting a social house eventually. Might take them 10 years of direct provision before that happens, but it will happen. Irish people will just be making way I'm afraid.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340683#Comment_122340683

I'm still under 50 and from a generation that's seen a huge shift in the ethnicity of Irish people. I've many friends who were born outside Ireland. I'm guessing you're over 50 and maybe missed some of the craic you might of had in your twenties with those from abroad.

I recognise we have issues with immigration but could not bring myself to vote for Niall Boylan due to his vulgarity and generally obnoxious behaviour. A refugee that has been granted citizenship is an Irish citizen.

Ireland has changed and I don't see a revolt happening over the ethnicity of a social housing recipient. The thing that seems to set people off is when a load of people are dropped off in an area without consultation.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341369#Comment_122341369

Ireland has changed considerably over my lifetime and it's time to halt/ drastically slow down that rate of change. What makes any country is it's own unique culture & people. Instead of guarding our identity, government and business forces here seem hell bent on accelerating change. We'll end up in some mish mash of cultures, ethnicity and religions and will be no different from other small states that have allowed themselves to be morphed. We may be an open economy, that doesn't mean we need to be an open society. Watch other European states who at least attempt to guard their own national identities and cultures.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340683#Comment_122340683

which parts of our "culture" are being diluted?

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341940#Comment_122341940

Our kids do Irish dancing. The teachers try to promote Irish dancing and everyone is welcome.

I've felt sorry to see some of the old church based interconnectedness phasing out. However, your notion of guarding culture seems mad. I suspect you are not involved in cultural activities.

Maybe go out and volunteer and do something positive for Irish culture instead of moaning on this forum all the time.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122342232#Comment_122342232

How quite presumptive of you. I can assure you that much of my time and interests are devoted to aspects of our heritage. That's why I care about it, if you think for the moment..