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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    True, he won the first round but was well outclassed as the fight went on. Dustin worked the legs kicks in the first round and got his pay off in the second. It wasn’t just one leg kick that changed the fight IMO. Conor couldn’t adapt and was heavy on the lead foot.

    In the following fight there was no doubt, he lost the first 10-8 on two of the 3 scorecards and 10-9 on the other before the injury stoppage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I’m disputing this notion that somehow, McGregor troubled or gave Khabib issues, I know he wasn’t close to winning, thankfully no one is mad enough to say that.. It is an attempt to rewrite that fight all together, he was put on his arse at will, knocked down as well, and dominated on the ground.

    So what if it took 4 rounds, others have gone the distance, but I was told that that didn’t matter. Dustin was deep with the choke, but that didn’t matter either.

    Khabib has had all kinds of fights, this one was loaded the most with emotion. However, his performance was text book, he never struggled or had problems. McGregor didn’t present anything he hadn’t seen before. It is that simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    No one's going to mention the illegal moves from McGregor in the Khabib fight? Or that it's not just party drugs he's fond of, apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Who said McGregor troubled or gave Khabib issues? The fact you’re resorting to a strawman says a lot.

    Khabib was never troubled in any fight. He beat everyone clearly, but regardless somebody has to have done the “best”. Just basic logic.

    He was not only undefeated, but he almost never lost a round. Such was his dominance, that taking a single round off him is the best anyone has done. That’s all people were pointing out. It’s a comparison to his other opponents, not to having him in trouble.

    Going the distance is irrelevant. Doesn’t mean a fight/round was close. Surely everyone gets it.

    Dustin’s guillotine wasn’t deep at all. He only had the choke on one side of his neck. He says afterwards it was a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Dustin won fair & square but Conor was in no way outclasses, Out class means they shouldn't be in the same cage that just wasn't the case in fight 2

    yes fight 3 went badly for him ,Conor made the Dustin mistake going for the guillotine & Dustin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,518 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I actually thought Conor folded pretty easily in fight 2. His survival skills/defence very poor, added to his gas tank poor (and only rd 2.) near end he looked proper out-classed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There’s no question Dustin won on his merits. But it’s clear that @yourdeadwright was referring to the hyperbole of “outclassed”. And it is hyperbole.

    Outclassed means there a gulf between fighters. Where a fighter is outmatched, has nothing to offer and is squarely beaten bell to bell. That didn’t happen v Dustin 2.
    Dustin lost the first round. That’s simply not going to happen against an opponent that’s outclassed. He landed his shots in the second, followed up when he wobbled him and put McGregor away. That’s how quickly mma can turn with 4oz gloves.

    Conor was heavy on the feet, the leg kicks paid off, etc. But I think it's silly to say he folded and had no survival skills. He didn't fold, was TKO'd because Dustin landed a big right cross right on the button.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Exactly what i meant, You outclass someone when you show they don't belong in there with you, Conor v Eddie for example

    Dustin himself said he was close to being stopped in that fight & its the hardest hes ever been hit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Dustin landed about 5 or 6 right on the button before the McGregor went down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Absolutely, wasn't trying to imply he caught him with one and that was it. A big cross landed, but he was top of him and followed up to put him away. He was soundly TKO'd. My point was that's what happens in MMA, you only ever a solid combo away from a TKO. There no amount of tenacity will get you through it if the right shots land.

    But that's typical MMA fans. When Conor won the FW title, "fans" made out Aldo was somehow found of as a con. After Dustin 1 people were suggesting it was a dive, or set up as a gimme win. Some of the old comments are really comically if you look back on them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    There are people who still try and justify the Aldo loss as Aldo being "out of his prime" despite the fact he hadn't lost in a decade at that point, was only in his 20s, and is still fighting at elite level almost another decade later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    And at the other extreme, somebody else called it a lucky punch only a week ago. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Shank Williams


    some good lines about the human skid mark in this article

    Dave Hannigan: Conor McGregor eager to weigh in on the side of bare-knuckle fighting

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2024/07/04/dave-hannigan-conor-mcgregor-eager-to-weigh-in-on-the-side-of-bare-knuckle-fighting/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭monty_python




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Hell end up in the WWE or something like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    The only fighter that probably should have beaten Khabbib was Tibau,very unlucky not to win that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That was definitely the closest he came to losing. But Tibau also never had him in trouble.
    I also think the fight became somewhat mythical in the years since. I'm sure half the people who mentioned it, never seen it.

    The stats suggest a very close fight. Significant strikes were 10-8, 9-9 and 9-8. I think I need to rewatch it to shake the myth out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    I watched it ages back and at the time thought he lost that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I remember it well. No takedowns for Khabib and one for Tibau. I was sure it'd be a split decision one. Khabib won the first round, he had him on the cage a lot. Tibau clearly won the second, he got a takedown and hit the better strikes. The third one was close, Khabib had him on the fence a good bit but Tibau hit him with some really good punches and nearly got a takedown.

    I felt Tibau just about won the last round but you couldn't blame a judge for giving it to Khabib.

    The scorecards were ridiculous, all three judges scored it 30-27 to Khabib. Most people thought Tibau won it. It was very close but it was definitely a 29-28 either way.

    In hindsight the result was the right one because Tibau was juicing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I remember thinking he lost too. But I also remember that I'd heard people repeat that over and over. To the point I'm sure many have are just parroting what others have said. Wasn't suggesting you were doing that to be clear.

    You remember the specific take down count? Or you checked the stats this week - like I did above?

    I'm confused how you judged it as a split decision? A individual can't judge a fight to be split. The scoring means each person score is definitive. 29-28 is not a split.

    I don't think the volume of strikes was significant enough either way to say either fighter and unquestionably won any round. But it is clearly leaning one way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    A split is two judges going one way and one going another. The last round could have went either way.

    Even at that stage we all knew how good Khabib was on the ground but he never got Tibau down. The only takedown was by Tibau. That's why I remember it.

    I wasn't sure who won it because of how much time Tibau was stuck on the fence preventing takedowns. When he got off it he did some good work which I thought might get him the round. As I said I thought he nicked the last round but could understand it being given the other way. As a result of this I felt it was likely that it was going to be a split decision with the last round going against both with at least one judge.

    30-27 from all three judges was a disgraceful decision.

    As I also said in my last post, it's now known that Tibau was juicing so I'm delighted the result went the way it did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,379 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I know what a split decision is 🤣. I was saying that you can't pick "split decision" as how you judge it. Which is something you hear people saying. It's clear what you meant now.

    Even at that stage we all knew how good Khabib was on the ground but he never got Tibau down. The only takedown was by Tibau. That's why I remember it.

    How did we know that at that stage? He was close to a nobody at that stage. I doubt many people knew who he was.

    As I said, Tibeau had the better of him in strikes, but it was a tiny margin. It's easy to see how some clinch control would outweigh a tiny striking head. I need to rewatch it to score tbh.

    30-27 may be wrong, but it's not a significant robbery. That sort of decison happens weekly (Ramos beating Culibao last week was one).

    As I also said in my last post, it's now known that Tibau was juicing so I'm delighted the result went the way it did.

    He was caught juicing. But it was some years after that fight iirc. Before he retired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    His post about what he thinks he can do as president would lead me to believe he was sniffing more Charlie than the Rolling Stones combined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    "Its just business" etc.

    UFC holding off on having him fight as he has two fights left on his contract (his last 2 you ould assume) and they're negotiating deals at the moment so 2 x McGregor fights is nice to have in the back pocket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    He is also completely out of touch with reality. Does he really think he'd get many votes? A few scrotes might give him the nod but the rest of the country know the person he is and wouldn't be seen dead supporting him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I am reading that as another way for him to kick the can down the road and avoiding fighting…again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He needs votes from TDs I think, so if he can line their pockets he might get on the ticket…but he couldn't run a bath, never mind for president



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I certainly wouldn't support him but you are underestimating how many people would vote for him I think. He's like Trump in that he's hated by many but loved by many too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,616 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    he needs to be nominated / backed by 20 either TDs or senators, or by 4 City / County councils. Can't see that happening, tbh.

    very hard to predict what vote he would get if nominated though, looking back at the last couple elections



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,838 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    None of the scutter who would nominate him are either TDs or senators. Its not happening.

    Hes just filling a publicity gap until he fights.



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