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Soldier beats a woman unconscious, gets a great reference from his CO. Jailed after appeal

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Don’t come here spouting lies and BS.

    Or were the Defence Forces just lying to us in the tweet about Crotty when they said yesterday that

    Once due process has been completed in a civilian court of law it becomes a matter for the relevant Defence Forces authorities, in accordance with Defence Forces Regulations.

    https://x.com/defenceforces/status/1804189320422789175



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Notmything


    No idea what lies you are on about.

    But there are regulations in place to deal with members of the defence forces who are convicted by a court.

    Those regulations will decide what actions are taken against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,753 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,753 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    Full jails had absolutely nothing to do with the Judge citing Crotty's career.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭animalinside


    Should be on CNN.

    Tucker Carlson should bring her on and talk about what a mad country we've become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Today after reading comments I read online about restrictions on visas to USA and Australia for people with criminal records.

    The BBC and The Guardian in the UK have this story too.

    Oh what does the future hold for Private Crotty? The internet does not forget. He cannot be a taxi-man as that involves checks. Ireland needs building labourers I suppose (nothing against those hard working people doing back breaking labour I could not do!). A decent paying job he could get but no Defence Forces pension!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,082 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Crotty's career? Any excuse to avoid a custodial sentence…read between the lines ffs. Suspended sentences are being handed out all the time for vicious assaults, even when there's no exemplary army career to use as an excuse. I've posted the link to the thread several times above, you really should read it. Shur there's one where a young fella kicked the teeth out of some seventy something year-old's head not long ago, and did no jail time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭donaghs


    The vast majority of victims of violence are men. Male on male violence. Framing this crime and the subsequent sentence in terms of “men v women” is unhelpful I think - as it only focuses in on a minority of violent crime. And ignores the problem of violent criminals generally being given lenient sentences.
    As has already been mentioned here many times, the same judge about 3 days ago gave a suspended sentence for a homeless man beaten beaten to a pulp in completely unprovoked attack - no protests about that one. And putting the emphasis on “men v women” won’t help resolve issue of violence and lenient sentences for it.



  • Posts: 700 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It didn't warrant her to get beaten up but that's unfortunately what happens

    when you don't keep your own counsel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    It’s called bravery, and doing what’s right. I see why you’re struggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I'm in Asia and my partner just discovered this story. I've always told her about the Irish justice system being a complete and utter farce and this is a viral story that is universally seen as unacceptable. The judge should be investigated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "The judge should be investigated."

    He's to retire this week, supposedly announced a few weeks ago, and not in response to the public outrage around the sentence he passed down.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0624/1456322-judge-tom-odonnell/



  • Posts: 700 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was sheer stupidity that almost cost her her life!

    Mod

    Warning applied for this post.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    I was taken aback and confused for while alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gipi


    The Irish Times reports today that there's a naval service officer who pleaded guilty of seriously assaulting his then gf, got a fully suspended sentence, paid compensation (which was accepted) and is still serving in the navy 12 months on while the defence forces admin does its thing.

    The judge? O'Donnell

    That's why the DPP won't get far with an appeal I reckon - the precedent has been set.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/06/24/naval-service-officer-still-in-role-almost-a-year-after-guilty-plea-in-violent-attack/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Tucker would have yer man on and paint him as the victim.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,019 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So, can you tell us why Crotty (specifically) was spared jail?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,803 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Also not exactly the sharpest.

    "he got his case squashed"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,790 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So nobody should respond when they see someone doing something wrong?

    We should all just let scumbags do and say what they want, unchallenged like cowards?

    **** that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    It's nothing to do with cowardice. People should be reluctant to confront a drunk who is shouting homophobic abuse at a third party. If that person was reasonable, he wouldn't be shouting that abuse in the first place.

    Random/street violence primarily affects men, anything from looking at someone to bumping off them or spilling their drink can trigger it. A man, at least a sober one, would instinctively be wary of confronting another man behaving like Crotty was as they'd know there was a high chance of escalation to a fight with potentially dire consequence. Also high likelihood that you'd be on your own as passer by would see it as two male drunks brawling, you're not going to get a posse of white knights coming to your rescue.

    I'd be better able to deal with the likes of Crotty than 99.9% of women and a lot of men. Yet, if I witnessed Crotty shouting abuse at someone, I'd keep my mouth shut. I'm not risking getting killed or killing someone to protect some third party's feelings/honour. Different if Crotty had already escalated it to a physical attack.

    Because they are rarely victims of street violence, women and especially young women often don't understand this. They've grown up with social media and think that "calling out" someone in real life is the same as doing so on Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,019 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You make very sensible/safe advice points here

    In relation to these type attacks: a male “politely” asking a bowsy to behave is far more likely to risk attack than a female asking a bowsy to behave. Unfortunately in this case, Crotty didn’t care it was a female he was about to pulverise. Toerag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I said they can't just quit on the spot, "Purchasing a discharge" is not the same thing.

    The poster I was responding to had suggested that Crotty just resign and so avoid any court martial or disciplinary action. I was making the point that no army can allow that, or you would have situations where soldiers just decide to "change jobs" right when the bullets start flying.

    A soldier can make a request to leave but it has to be accepted by the army and then processed. They can't just resign or quit because it suits them to get out of town right that very second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    I think that’s a good point- unless you have five or six mates with you, I’d be keeping my mouth shut.

    That said, I don’t think this takes any of the responsibility away from Crotty, the scumbag. It’s just a learning point.

    So it turn out O’Donnell just loves an army man and has no problem with them beating the crap out of women, stranger or girlfriend. Crotty attack may not have been gender biased, but that judge certainly is. I’d love for someone to go back through his judgements for the past ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭Frumy


    100% common sense.

    I've done martial arts most of my life and I wouldn't accost a drunk roaring abuse at someone. The vast vast majority of people don't understand one strike can knock you out and smash your head off the ground causing death. Self preservation is very very important and most don't understand at all how much damage one strong guy can do with punches. As the comedian Richard Pryor use to say 'A bruised ego heals quicker than a broken jaw' She's very lucky she only had a broken nose, several punches to the head can cause massive brain damage when a drunk maniac is attacking you.

    Do you ever notice in these discussions only those with fighting and martial art experience are always the only ones stating this could have very very easily being avoided and that you should only engage a violent person unless 100% necessary?

    It's people with ZERO experience in any physical combat encouraging people to 'get them' or 'not be cowards' etc. As you said was she willing to die to stop someone's feelings being hurt? That's the reality that very very few accept but it's always a very real possibility when you approach or accost a highly drunk very aggressive and violent person who it seems could easily out strengthen her and out combat her. I may be wrong but I don't think she has any martial art or fighting training so she would have known if it got physical she was in trouble. Of course she's not expecting violence but again why approach the person? He wasn't attacking someone he was saying offensive things but as said was she willing to die to protect someone else's feelings? Should it have happened? 100% of course not your man is a thug but what drives me mad in these secnarios is very very very few people use logic or simple common sense.

    Drunk violent people can be avoided and should be. Prevention always beats cure



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