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Soldier beats a woman unconscious, gets a great reference from his CO. Jailed after appeal

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Well said, it’s the cause they are looking for, not helping anyone.

    If they were genuinely concerned they’d do something to help. I was in Manchester not too long ago and in the gay village they have the “Village Angels” - volunteers who help patrons - people who’ve had too much to drink, vulnerable people on their own etc. They were founded to help the gay community in the area but look after all.

    Why not combine to work with Gardai to help make at least one area of their city safe for a period of time? It would be better than posting bear memes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭csirl


    We're getting a lot of posts about military courts etc. Surely this guy is simply going to resign and avoid it all? No employee is subject to an employers rules once they resign. And they cant stop him resigning - bonded labour was outlawed decades ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    No military could survive if the soldiers were able to just quit on the spot any time they liked. So they can't.

    Why do you think the term "deserter" exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,396 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Just on the "end victim blaming in the courts" placards. Can anyone show me where the judge or Army blamed the victim?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Because you are just the latest to try and spin it that when Togher was using positive, subjective adjectives to describe Crotty, and when he stated his opinion that what Crotty did was "out of character", that Togher was not actually speaking about Crotty's character.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭csirl


    We're not at war. Surely he'll just give the usual 1 months notice?

    IMHO we shouldnt be relying on an employer to punish for a crime. It should be dealt with by the criminal justice system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm a man.

    Doesn't seem to be too many men about the place suffering life changing traumas and injuries at the hands of out of control women, does there?

    Of course this is men v women. This is men with a total loss of self control and right and wrong abusing their physical superiority to beat women into silence and submission. And such men need to be heavily, heavily punished.

    I'm not sure how else you could legitimately frame this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It is satire. Look it up. It's on the internet and printed in real world dictionaries. Like all sature, there is a sprinkle of truth in there. Plenty of exaggerations and faux offense happens when it comes to anything related to gender. This thread is a prime example.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,396 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Women attack other woman as well and leave them with life changing traumas.

    And women attack men, remember the woman who stabbed a man to death for parking outside her house? I didnt see a march for him.

    Making it a male on female violence issue is like demonizing all dogs after the XL bully attack in Limerick where the woman was killed. Lets treat all dogs as a problem now and try to make everyone afraid of them, cocker spaniels, yorkshire terriers, french bulldogs etc they are all a problem and we need to do something about it. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    And yet the subject person of their march was not the victim of gender based violence. She was just the victim of a violent attack by a scumbag who should have been thrown in jail. The protests setup to harp on about male on female violence just took advantage of the fact that there was anger that the scummer got a suspended sentence, but nothing is ever said when women get suspended sentences. It's a disgusting double standard and ironic that equality is screamed for on the other edge of the sword.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,396 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    You have to buy your way out of the Defence forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    ONE is too many. And there are plenty. There are many more that go unreported because of pride/embarassment, or the belief that they would simply not be believed. While men lean to the more aggressive end of the spectrum, women can be violent and dominationg too. We just don't see it reported in the media unless it's way out there.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dad-of-seven-stabbed-to-death-in-totally-random-killing-over-parking-space-1400493.html

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Back on topic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    The Judge and the Army are the problem here.

    Crotty was shown to be the cowardly animal he is. The Judge saw this and decided to protect Crotty's career.

    The Army saw what he is and decided to give him a glowing character reference. They could have easily just spoke on how long he has served and him not having caused any trouble. Also if his friends were army too, they need to be reprimanded for not intervening.

    There should be at least minimal jail time for someone who has carried out vicious unprovoked assault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭csirl


    What are they going to do if he simply doesnt turn up? Also, you cant recover money from someone who hasnt got it.

    This is Ireland. Nothing like this is ever enforced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,396 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The military police would arrest you and put you in military jail, this isn't the boy scouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭csirl


    Do you honestly think the military want this guy back on duty.........so badly that they send in the military police.

    Also, could you imagine the resulting court case. "Judge, there's this guy we want to kick out of the army.......so we're suing him because he......eh....left the army...."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,396 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I didnt say anything about being on duty, i said they can arrest him if he decides to leave the Army without paying his way out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭csirl


    In the real world I predict the following will happen

    1. He wont do any more army duties.

    2. He will be discharged.

    3. Nobody will be arrested and no money will be sought.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wow. I feel bad for that woman and legitimately would be concerned about her mental wellbeing today. It's incredible the amount of adrenaline that would be pulsating around your body after dealing with the hearing and then having it plastered across the media and contending with tv interviews and being the subject of a national debate. It must be all very traumatising. I really do hope she has some real tangible psychological supports taking care of her because once that adrenaline surge has passed she's going to be left dealing with the aftermath of it all and that's going to take some strength.

    I think the issue was being highlighted very fairly itself without the need for the demonstrations although I recognise peoples right to peacefully protest, I don't think anyone was very concerned about the mental wellbeing of Natasha at the rally's yesterday. I know she did call out the man who rescued her from the assualt and thanked him for saving her life, I think that point needs to be driven home.

    In the meantime, I do these meditations every day and find them very helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    There have been many men killed and maimed at the hands of violent scumbags like Crotty through no fault of own. Are you somehow implying that these victims don’t matter or that as they were make themselves they are somehow responsible?


    Do you have male relatives, husband, sons, brothers, father. What if they were beaten to a pulp for no good reason. Would you feel they were in some way responsible as they were the same sex as the scumbag attacker?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,138 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No idea how you’d think the poster in an way could have meant what you’re implying. You seem to have completely missed the poster’s point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    The Military Prison still exists in the Curragh , it’s currently mothballed having recently been used to imprison sex offenders.


    I can vaguely remember a member of the navy being sentenced to 3 months imprisonment and dismissal , though can’t remember for the life of me remember if he served his sentence in military custody round about the year 2000.

    I do know there are members of the defence forces who are solicitors or barristers and you can actually attend court martials by appointment once they are not of a sensitive nature and you don’t intend acting the bollix , details of any upcoming court martials are available to see on the defence force’s website,there are also legal practices who specialise in military law.



  • Posts: 700 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Her actions ARE the reason why society is fcked up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭jj880


    This is a case of a serious assault not getting dealt with correctly by the courts. Constant attempts to create a gender narrative is really tiresome these days.

    Are these headcases now organising rallies saying anything about the passerby who helped stop the attack?

    In my opinion this is diluting the important issue that was originally highlighted. It suits the government to have this become a gender bashing / blaming session to distract from judges not jailing scum because we need more prison space.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, she asked someone to stop throwing homophobic abuse in the street, and that warranted her being beaten to within an inch of her life, and you think, her actions are why society is fcuked up?!?

    Your posts are fcuked up.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think the government were involved at all, it looks like an organic event which mushroomed most likely due to social media coverage. Unless the governement are controlling all social media platforms and directing the narrative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Statistics on violent assault by the gender of the victim. Men are far more likely to be victims of assault than women.

    What more does she have to do? Please, tell me. I am all ears. Women are being attacked, abused, and killed right in front of our eyes.

    What has to happen before society wakes up and addresses what Justice Minister Helen McEntee has herself called an epidemic?

    There are lots of similar articles like the above doing the rounds in the media right now. They are disingenuously trying to portray assault as an issue that only women face when statistics show it's actually the opposite.

    I am all for seeing stricter sentencing for assault, but surely it should apply on an equal basis to all?



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