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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • #29012
    johnh6767
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122236992#Comment_122236992

    I’m relieved to read this and gauging by the number of thumbs up am not alone. He gets such a hard time. It’s like once a player has been around for a while has been a great servant to the game there is a need to move him on for the latest new toy only to then turn on that players latest flaws. Ross B had a very strong game created 2 tries with footie skills and still doesn’t get the credit



  • #29013
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244270#Comment_122244270

    Ah yes. Ross is very good at most things he does like kicking from hand, passing and his kicking from the tee is very good. No complaints there.

    The issue is he sits so far back he is never a threat to the defence. He can't hold a defender so the defence can fan out to cover the other leinster backs more easily. I think that's why a poster said earlier that leinster is relying on having better individual players than the opposition.

    He's really good at most things but is limited by his ability to even threaten to run with the ball and hold the defence.

    He's very good, he's just not top tier. Most teams would be delighted with him, but if leinster want to win things then they need a top tier 10.



  • #29014
    johnh6767
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122240894#Comment_122240894

    agreed and he has bulked up this season so now has the size & always had the skills/smarts from watching u20’s - need to see more of him he looks like a born 9 which is a rare find particularly for Leinster



  • #29015
    jonok28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭jonok28


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244314#Comment_122244314

    They aren't going to use Gunne at this stage of the season but I expect him and Sam to get heavy use during the pre season and a good amount of URC games. Gunne has bulked up and I think Leinster are very excited about the similar style of play to JGP he possesses. It's a matter of when for them two lads rather than if.



  • #29016
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    SubAcad.PNG

    Sub-Academy at end of the season.

    Top row: Ruben Moloney(u20/Back Three), Tom O'Riordan(u20/LH Prop), Jim White(u19/Openside), Alan Spicer(u19/Lock), Tom Larke(u20/Fullback), David Colbert(u20/Wing), Alex Usanov(u19/LH Prop), Tadhg Brophy(u20/Scrumhalf), Richard Whelan(u20/Backrow), Mikey Yarr(u19/Hooker), Andrew Sparrow(u20/TH Prop), Mikey O'Reilly(u20/Lock), Luke Kritzinger(u20/Centre), Billy Corrigan(u19/Lock), Andrew Doyle(u19/Scrumhalf)

    Bottom row: Sam Wisniewski(u19/Outhalf), Wilhelm De Klerk(u20/Centre), Paidi Farrell(u19/Back Three), Sam Berman(u20/Centre), Jack Murphy(u20/Outhalf), Stephen Smyth(u20/Hooker), Inigo Cruise O'Brien(u20/Backrow), Hugo McLaughlin(u20/Back Three), Oliver Coffey(u20/Scrumhalf), Tom Stewart(u19/Hooker), Alex Mullan(u19/TH Prop)



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  • #29017
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,904 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244292#Comment_122244292

    but if leinster want to win things then they need a top tier 10.

    Leinster have the second, third and fourth choice out-halves for Ireland and while none of them are truly top tier, bringing in anyone from abroad means less game time for lads that the national team needs. It's never going to happen.



  • #29018
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,278 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244357#Comment_122244357

    There was chatter of Jack Murphy, Wilhelm de Klerk and Sam Berman moving to Ulster. Was that ever confirmed?



  • #29019
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244397#Comment_122244397

    nothing officially confirmed.

    probably waiting until after the junior world cup.

    I'd say its more than likely true bar a last minute change of heart.



  • #29020
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,430 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244373#Comment_122244373

    We're not going to bring anyone in from abroad, we just have to hope that Prendergast is actually going to be as good as we expect.

    At the end of the day Ross is a very decent to good player but he's also pretty easily the weakest member of the starting 15. We absolutely can win things with him there all the same



  • #29021
    Lia Sweet Racist
    Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244292#Comment_122244292

    "never a threat to the defence" - once again, this is complete hyperbole. Leinster had 9 visits to the opposition 22 last weekend, and scored 6 tries. RB was directly involved in the scoring sequence in multiple tries. I posted the stats on Leinster's attack last week (#2 attack in the URC across all metrics - and by far the most potent of last weekend's round of matches too), and yet still consistently this stuff gets posted all the time.



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  • #29022
    Lia Sweet Racist
    Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244357#Comment_122244357

    Was going to post here about how Jim White looks pretty small for an openside, and then realised it's Alan Spicer he's standing beside.



  • #29023
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244553#Comment_122244553

    He is on the short side. Maybe 6 foot.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #29024
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244373#Comment_122244373

    I didn't suggest they should bring anyone in. I know they're committed to developing from within leinster.

    I responded to the suggestion that people just want to dump Ross to go after the new shiny thing. There are good reasons to aim to develop a top tier 10



  • #29025
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244600#Comment_122244600

    Ross Byrne has taken Leinster to two European finals in a row.

    This year he got support from Harry in the away game in La Rochelle and also Frawley in that game

    Who exactly are the "top tier 10" around? Ntamack who was given a lesson last year in the semi plus this year in the final was he better than Ross?

    Struggling off top of head to think of many other? Jellybaby in France Im not sure would be claiming to be "top tier"

    So just wondering who we are looking at?



  • #29026
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244550#Comment_122244550

    He's the out half, of course he's involved. But what I said is he's never a running threat to the defence which allows the defence to drift and more easily cover the other players. You read the post, you know what I said.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #29027
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244648#Comment_122244648

    Ah, that's grand then. No appreciable difference between players like Byrne and Sexton? Sounds like everything is as good as it can be.

    Christ lads, everything isn't black and white. As I already said, Byrne is very good, but isn't top tier. I get that you're pretending not to know how a top tier out half would be different. But I give you more credit than that.

    Leinster would be right to look for a top tier player to take the 10 jersey. We're hoping Prendergast will be that player. It's not complicated



  • #29028
    Lia Sweet Racist
    Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244654#Comment_122244654

    Yeah, but it's not true. He's not a good running threat, and his metres carried are low, but his passing and handling is good and he shapes and directs our attack very well. If he was as easily defended as you're implying here then teams would be stifling Leinster all the time but it simply isn't the case.

    He has lost exactly two games of rugby in the last 2 seasons - the two European Cup Finals, which are just about the highest level of rugby there is.



  • #29029
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244680#Comment_122244680

    Grand. Sounds like out half is sorted then.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #29030
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244680#Comment_122244680

    Plenty of 10's across the world are not a "running threat"

    This has been jumped on by the Irish media and to me people are just replicating what they are saying.

    With some players the media just want to concentrate on any failings they might have, then with others they will just blatantly ignore

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #29031
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,713 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Andy Goode made a whole very successful career out of being a slow out half with no running threat.

    There are very few Richie mo'ungas in the world.



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  • #29032
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244676#Comment_122244676

    I asked for a list of these "top tier" 10's. Just so I understand who you think is "top tier"



  • #29033
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244706#Comment_122244706

    And then you ignored that I mentioned sexton as a top tier 10 and we hope Prendergast will develop into a top tier 10. Not sure why you did that



  • #29034
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244717#Comment_122244717

    Sexton is retired

    Predergast is a kid just out of the academy

    You said Top Tier, I am asking who they are



  • #29035
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244724#Comment_122244724

    Oh right. So were pretending not to know if sexton was top tier or not.

    I didn't suggets leinster bring in anyone. I did suggest they develop one.

    I'm not listing other players to get into a discussion about why they're not top tier. My point is simple. Byrne is good, but not top tier. Leinster would benefit from a top tier 10 and I hope Prendergast develops I to that player.

    What's your point?



  • #29036
    Lia Sweet Racist
    Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244690#Comment_122244690

    He can very obviously be improved upon, but in this thread over recent days there have been people suggesting an "NIQ journeyman" outhalf would be better for Leinster than Ross Byrne. This is the sort of utterly uninformed nonsense I'm pushing back on here.



  • #29037
    accensi0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Gunne, Prendergast, Barrett during the 6 nations window next year is gonna be hilarious. Can't wait.



  • #29038
    johnh6767
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244744#Comment_122244744

    tensions high for a massive weekend ahead



  • #29039
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,211 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244865#Comment_122244865

    Not me. I neither think leinster should nor would be allowed buy in a 10. They will either develop a better 10 or they won't.

    But the idea that there's no appreciable differences between Byrne and a top tier 10 is for the birds.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #29040
    Lia Sweet Racist
    Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122244744#Comment_122244744

    Sexton is also our greatest ever player IMO. They don't grow on trees and they aren't easily signed or found.

    No one here is disputing it's very obviously a position that could be improved upon in Leinster's first fifteen, but still some of the disrespect and hyperbole talked about him is way OTT too. Both things can be true.

    There aren't any likely options/alternatives out there. We all hope Prendergast becomes that guy, but people who know a hell of a lot better than us think he's not quite ready yet. We all hope that by the end of next season he'll be that guy and our first choice 10, but, once again, I back the people who are more informed generally and who are watching them up close, analysing the data, setting the gameplans etc to be in far better place to assess this.



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  • #29041
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,904 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Just for a frame of reference, Prendergast is older than Joey Carbery was when he was winning a test against the All Blacks, and older than Paddy Jackson was when he was starting a Heineken Cup final.

    The percentage of young guys who go from 'top-class prospect' to 'top-tier player' is very small, and there's a fair probability that Prendergast doesn't turn out to be any better than Byrne, or the other Byrne, or Frawley.

    For another example, I can remember when the words "Luke McGrath" and "messiah" were being used in the same sentence…



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