General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

United were impressed with Tuchel when they met over the weekend. Not sure if it was reciprocated

Lots of fan complaints about how bad a season it was from ETH in terms of tactical set ups & performance. More engaged football people involved in the club will also have seen this, hence the new manager search.

Lots of fan complains around squad harmony and player fall outs. More engaged football people involved in the club will also have seen this, hence the new manager search.

More fall outs with players that a club will admit to caring about, and failing to keep this in-house.

Man Utd having a history of sacking managers in the last 15 years.

And most importantly a crap league season glossed over by a once off game. The talk of sacking him came about well before this once off game, and is what prompted the new manager search.

But if ye want to keep yer heads buried in the sand and that ETH is great and Man Utd definitely are not actively searching for a new manager and everything is all made up by the big bad nasty media, then be my guest. I'd actually love that to happen tbh.

I'm sorry but how can Jim rule himself out for Thomas..

ones-self can only be done by the person, not someone else …

I know you said the article is badly written, but I'm lost…

Forgive me, it's less than 15 years. I got my years mixed up for when Moyes was given the boot.

In the last 12 years, it's been 5 long term managers sacked. Potentially 6 with ETH. All in, in that 12 year period, there's been 8 different managers in different guises. Carrick & Giggs were short term in fairness. That's a big turnover or managers and proves a history of changing quickly.

Forward planning? Lol I wouldn't believe that considering how reactionary some of the decision making has been in the past. OGS getting the job full time being one, and then sacking him again without a plan in place being another, hence why Carrick had to get the job. The club planning on signings but then ETH wanting a different player so going that route instead. Might be irrelevant but wasn't there a fan revolt against the club signing Arnautovic, and so the club pulled out? Reactionary again. ETH keeping his job past FA cup weekend is reactionary as he was set to be sacked that weekend.

IMO, Tuchel is a good fit. Cup manager suits a cup team. Southgate might actually work but everyone s***s on Southgate because of his stagnant style of football that he employs with a wealth of attacking talent. But that's international football. To me, Jim wants a British core to his club and so it's possible that he could try get a British manager.

Websites certainly won't refuse clicks when it comes to Man Utd is right. The thing is to click on the reputable people / sites, which goes over the head of many. I only listen to a handful of people when it comes to my own club, maybe 3/4/5 people/sources only. The example above of someone using made up websites as stories regarding Man Utd manager this summer. It's obvious which ones were clickbait from the outset. Everyone in their right mind should be ignoring them.

There is clearly made up stuff alright and then there is stuff that is happening and is being reported on. But just because the media says something does not make it untrue. It's not a blanket false. I remember a couple posters refusing to believe the Rashford going on the piss in Belfast story a few months ago for example. And it was mainly because of the narrative of 'big bad media make up stories about us'.

I remember this example well but a few summers ago, Talksport(!!!) said one Sunday morning (again!!!) that Man Utd wanted to sign Oxlade Chamberlain from Liverpool as he was cheap and he would help their HG quota. It was absolutely bull s**t of a highest order. But guess what. People fell for it and clicked on the 'story'. Later on that year, there was some sort of negative story about player unrest in the Man Utd camp. Leaked stories, cryptic Twitter posts, you know the sort. But, the Ox transfer was used as an example of why you shouldn't believe the story of player unrest because 'the media make stories up about us' and that whole narrative. 'Sure what would they know, they linked us to 80 players last summer and we signed 0' etc etc. all because they believed the Talksport crap. But used it as a reason to not believe a different story.

As I said above, I wouldn't believe most of the stories alright but there has been a consistent link with Tuchel for a couple months now, and it does look very much like there was a meeting some time recently and the interview didn't go well. But of course, lots refuse to believe it because the whole media is always all wrong using Jason McAteer said something else to the Irish Mirror as the example.

So many words to say absolutely nothing. It's quite clear you're just looking for a way to get as many digs in at Utd as possible "a cup manager for a cup team"

For all you've said, how many Manchester United managers have INEOS sacked? How many have they hired? So because there was no forward planning under the previous regime, that have all been replaced as I'm sure your aware of considering how on top of all things Utd you are, that means the new footballing management team also won't plan in advance and speak to managers, agents, coaches to feel people out, get their opinions etc.

Also there was no revolt or anything like it re Arnautovic but for the LOLs I'm sure you can show me some proof of this revolt.

Man Utd absolutely are a cup team now. That's not a dig, it's just realism.

You were on about trophies earlier. It's all domestic cups that Man Utd are winning since Ferguson left. When is the last time Man Utd were actually involved in a title race, versus how many cup runs have they been involved in the last decade?

5 cup wins (4 domestic) in the last 12 seasons. 2 other cup finals. 4 more semi finals. That's a fair chunk of cup runs, basically one every season. How many realistic league challenges have been in that time? Finishing 2nd but 19 points away from 1st place doesn't count as it wasn't really a title challenge. I'd say 0.

1 cup run vs 0 league challenge every season. I've every right to say Man Utd are a cup team now.

No INEOS haven't hired or sacked a manager, yet. But that won't last long IMO. Is Ashworth even allowed to work yet, or is that his role to sort it out? Is it Wilcox or what's his role? Why is there constant talk of a new manager? Why did Jim avoid questions on ETH's future after the FA cup final? Why have the club not briefed their local journos that ETH is staying, definitely? Maybe it's because he banned them all, or maybe cos he is not. Ye seem to think it's all fake news about ETH leaving, so who knows.

As for Arnautovic, there are quotes here from the Bologna sporting director about Man Utd's bid. I'm sure you can remember the potential transfer at the time, and how Twitter was rife with criticism from Man Utd fans at the time. Di Viao actually mentioned in another interview that Man Utd didn't pull out of of the deal because of the fan backlash, it was because Arnautovic felt more valued at Bologna.....But why even mention that without some sort of simmering element of truth to it in the first place.

And then Reddy mentions that it was a combination of the fan revolt and Man Utd deciding to not increase the offer.

The BBC also reported the same here

Thats an unhealthy obsession you've got yourself there. As mentioned, an awful lot of words with nothing really said.

In the last four seasons, United have finished ahead of Liverpool in the league twice.

In that time United have one FA cup and one league cup.

Liverpool have one FA cup and two league cups.

But one is just a cup team and the other is the best team eva...have I got that right?

Gas stuff 😂

Apart from City, everyone's a cup team these days!

That's exactly it. Who is else can win the league over the next few years. People can say Arsenal but it won't happen. City are too good. That may change if Pep leaves but until then everyone else will be second best. Even if they are pipped you just know it will be just a one off title win

In the last 7 years, they’ve been the only team to stop City.