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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Criteria for a pardon in NY state, and it doesn't appear that he would meet it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    So you complain about Biden interfering but also want him to interfere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You're right, completely forgot about the federal element for a pardon. It makes the posters asks of Biden even more nonsensical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    It's just free publicity for Trump, America glorifies the bad guy. Heck Mike Tyson is like a national treasure in the US and he's a convicted rapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    And Donald J Trump's presence at, and involvement in, the discussions around how to set up the hush money payoff to Stormy Daniels, and how the payment was to be hidden by fake accounting in his business books. It's worth recalling that his former lawyer was not the only witness to the presence and involvement of Trump in the discussion. No one from his defence team seem to have called the testimony on the involvement of Trump from the National Inquirer gent into question in the way they did with Cohen.

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but it looks like you think Trump gained from the trial result against him, even though he declined to put his own side of the story forward directly after telling the public that he would do so. He could have given direct testimony that he was not involved in, nor gave instructions to those representing him, at the meeting to make fake accounting entries in his business accountancy books but instead declined to do so.

    He also had, and still has, the constitutional right not to give testimony which might tend to incriminate himself under the 5th amendment. It's entirely possible that he felt it personally impossible to use that right as he made it publicly clear in the past what he thought of people who chose to use that right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Interestingly it is the exact sort of crime you would go after the swamp for.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ideological and moral consistency are not the GOP and MAGA movement's strong points; 2016+ has made it quite clear that like most populist movements, the rhetoric often amounts to projection of the highest order.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ##Mod Note##

    Copy/Paste posts and Multiple replies removed.

    Please don't just dump entire articles from other locations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭Field east


    Trump is CONSTANTLY on the LOOKOUT for anything to hang on a democrat. Sl, IMO Trump would definately run with what he has been convicted for IF THE BOOT WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭Field east


    A very key and purposefully stated comment by Trump at his Trump Towers conference was when he said that They have got me On false information and if they can get me being an ex POTUS they can get you. BUT if you vote me in I will make sure that that does not happen - or words to that effect.

    If you look at the UTube re Finnish Intellegence Officer Martti Kari on USSR/RU you will note that one of the three legged stool that keeps the dictator there in power for over the last 1000+ years is the strategy that he will ‘look after’ all the civilians, so mind your own business and do’nt even ever think about threatening me. You just continue on milking your cows / sowing your crops and leave it with me to protect you. I WOnDER IF THAT IS WHERE TRUMP GOT THE IDEA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,098 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Hunter Biden trial about to start, in a "blue state", if there's any sort of guilty verdict going to be interesting how Trump will spin it..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Pardon authority is pretty much an absolute authority. There are no criteria you have to fulfil, these are just criteria for a particular program.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,977 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


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    Interesting data points from a Washington Post article.

    So before the conviction 58% of Reps said a Felon shouldn't be President, down to 14% thinking that this week.

    It's funny how they're willing to shift their morals to suit their agenda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    More CFTrump treating blacks poorly on the Apprentice, corroboration for the N-word:

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-apprentice-racism-nbc-election-2024-d962dfce1220920681ede63b90058f5d



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    "What’s the big deal about bribing Stormy Daniels? But I want a president who’s going to be able to cover up a $130,000 bribe to Daniels,” Ben said. “If he can’t pull that off, I’m not going to trust him with the nuclear football. This seems like such an easy thing for him to screw up. I’m kind of leaning toward Biden now.”

    Source:

    Regardless of what happens, that country is f*cked. Morals have been defenestrated, just so they can all hail the mighty dollar.

    Rather depressing really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The thoughts expressed by Trump about revenge being OK in his hour-long chat with Dr Phil hopefully should resound in the heads of undetermined voters. Dr Phil had asked Trump several times of his statements about going after his opponents with vengeance in mind when he gets re-elected and seems to have tried to enlighten Trump about what such thoughts indicated about the thinker of such thoughts. Trump acknowledged to Dr Phil that he was aware he was being asked the questions in a psychiatric-fashion.

    There was another of Trump's public events where one of his supporters spoke about how the Jim Crow Laws period in the US was better for the Black Americans than the Civil Rights legislation brought in by Democrat administrations. The speaker himself, Rep Byron Donald's [R-Florida], is a Black American. In a later statement, Rep Donald's reportedly said his feelings of nostalgia for the Jim Crow Law period were misunderstood.

    It would seem sensible to think that such statements should be more of a hindrance to Trump getting re-elected, in comparison to the scare stories of Biden mentally degenerating being a boon for Trump but I'm not a US voter.

    Postal voting is again an item Trump has a public opinion on. Apparently, he is asking GOP voters to use the postal vote system to swamp the Democrat vote. As to how he sees that being successful without GOP Party input, I don't know but maybe he think's his supporters within the GOP could assist him in the presidential vote counting at state level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It would appear that former president Trump's habit of sticking to the truth when speaking publicly is as good as ever. Speaking at a Las Vegas rally on Sunday over the weekend, he labelled the comments dating from 2018 that he called US soldiers who died in WW1 "suckers and losers" as "disinformation" reported by "fake news", saying “Think of it from a practical standpoint, I’m standing there with generals and military people, in a cemetery and I look at them, I say, ‘These people are suckers and losers,’” he began.

    “Now, think of it,” he continued, “unless you’re a psycho or a crazy person or a very stupid person—who would say that anyway—but who would say it to military people?”

    Several important points stand out in respect to his weekend denial of his 2018 words, the first being that no media source claimed he was in a French cemetery in 2018 when he made the comments about the US WW1 war dead, the second is that no one said, or tried to infer, that he was standing with generals and military people in a cemetery in 2018 when he spoke the words, the last point being that he did not, in fact, attend at the French cemetery in 2018 because he reportedly feared his hair would be disturbed by the bad weather there.

    The actual report in The Atlantic Magazine in 2020 stated Trump passed the comment "Why should I go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers" to staffers. General John Kelly stood in for Trump at the ceremony at the cemetery, later telling CNN, a different media source, that Trump had made the reported comment about the US war dead.

    It's good that Trump should be allowed continue to resurrect things from the past that would better his campaign if they were left rest in peace at this particular time of commemorations for the US war dead from both world wars.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed , his inability to allow any perceived slight to go away quietly is a massive weakness.

    He even aid it himself in the same speech that his "people" had told him to just let it go but he wouldn't.

    So his advisors are trying , but he's just so easy to trigger.

    Any time he might accidentally wander into talking about something current and relevant all it takes is a single tweet to deflect him back to his vengence rants which is massively unpopular outside his core base.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The fact that it is open to all the people to record and fact-check all of his statements [oral and written] seems to be something he is deliberately ignorant of, including those currently on his own "Truth Social" site.

    The problem for the US is that many of his supporters are also deliberately ignoring the fact-check power open to them where it comes to his statements and fake news lies. Its a while since one of his fellow presidents allegedly claimed "I cannot tell a lie". So far, Trump has not likened himself to that particular president, however….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Daily Mail Has come up with a doozy from Variety's Co-Editor-in-Chief Ramin Setoodeh, who interviewed Trump over six sessions for a forthcoming book [In Apprentice in Wonderland: How Donald Trump and Mark Burnett Took America Through the Looking Glass].

    According to Setoodeh, Trump claimed that Joan Rivers voted for him. Unfortunately for Trump, Joan died in 2014, two years and two months before the election that put him in the presidency. 'I thought she might have been a Republican,' Trump said. 'I know one thing: she voted for me, according to what she said.'

    According to the Daily Mail report, after Trump lost the 2020 election, the Trump election team tried to push the angle that dead voters illegally cast votes for Biden. The Setoodeh/Trump interviews were done after the 2020 elections.

    I feel that I must also make clear that I think the Daily Mail is playing both parties in the US off against each other in the wording of its reporting on both candidates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The NY appeals court has declined to hear Trump's appeal against the gag order placed on him in connection with the hush-money trial to stop him making comments about persons involved in the trial.

    Trump's legal team had wanted to argue that the gag order raised “substantial constitutional questions of the highest importance.” as it affects his core political speech in his election campaign and violates the rights of US citizens to hear him on matters of enormous public importance. A court official, Gary Spencer, said Trump has 30 days to file a motion of appeal against the appeal court decision, which would oblige it to make another decision on whether to hear that appeal, and maybe the whole appeal about the constitutionality of Judge Merchan's gag order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's possible that Trump's conviction for making false entries in his business record books to try and cover up the payments made to Stormy Daniels may be having an effect on his business-front as the shares price of his Truth Social media business are reported to have suffered major losses over the past few days. Coincidentally, it comes around the time that the sale of shares in the business to the public has been given the green light by the authority in charge of licensing and control of the market.

    He's also promoted the idea at one of his rallies that he will, if re-elected, authorise the issue of thousands of Green Cards to immigrants as the US job market needs specifically qualified persons to fill gaps in the US employment section. The how's etc of running such a scheme and the nationalities of proposed new Green Card holders would naturally have to be taken into account by Trump as he is strongly opposed to people of certain nationalities being allowed enter the US by the federal administration.

    Something which Trump recognized and admitted to is the value to Biden electorally of the students loans forgiveness plans by his [Trump] attacking them and stating that the plans will be revoked, again, if he gets re-elected. A USSC decision meant the previous federal student loan forgiveness plan/s had to be discontinued, which Trump also approved of, having mentioned it in his statement.

    I'm waiting to see if Trump does an "offended against" runner from the debate scene blaming Biden or the host/s of discourtesy, etc to his as a former elected president or if he stays for the duration of the time allotted to him in the deal he has worked out in advance and agreed-to with the host/s. It would be good if it was in the form of a written legal document, kind of like a "pre-nup" binding his performance to its small print paragraphs. or face legal losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,333 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Opting for Biden will haunt the Democrats in this debate.

    I'd be concerned for Biden's alertness and stamina in the face of what will be a much more energetic and no-holds-barred Trump over the span of the debate.

    Could be ugly for swing voter perception of Biden's capacity to go another term.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    One candidate has spent the last week preparing with mock debates, and already showed perfectly adequate feistiness with a State of the Union speech so robust, the GOP had to resort to chattering about Biden being hopped up on drugs.

    The other candidate has steadfastly refused to do any preparation at all.

    I don't expect some silver bullet moment from Biden but any continued "concern" for Biden's ability on stage keeps getting put to bed - but then gets dragged out again. And given his opponent continues to bleed independent support through his own words & (illegal) deeds, Biden only need show up & let the other guy run his mouth off.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Also , the rules of this debate do not favour Trumps bombastic "Flood the field with bullshit" approach.

    Each person gets a fixed time to deliver a statement on a topic , then their mic is disabled and the opponent then has a quick rebuttal timeslot and then they get to speak and so on as they work through the list of topics.

    Trump won't be able to interrupt , won't have a crowd to riff on and will struggle badly I think.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,518 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Alleged energy and what I can most politely describe as utter derangement isn't the winning combination you think it is. Trump was gaffe prone before but he's somehow dropped even lower in terms of coherence now.

    Trump's spiel works on MAGA. To everyone else, it's just painful to watch.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And that's why this format won't help him..

    He won't be able to shout out "zingers" or try to drown Biden out , he'll just have to give responses to each topic/question.

    They are not allowed to have any notes at the podium , they'll have a pen/paper to take notes during the debate but they can't bring "talking points" with them.

    Given Trumps complete inability to retain any actual facts he will struggle badly to answer in any kind of coherent fashion.

    People will get to see the rambling verbal diarrhea he comes out with at rallies that most people don't typically see as he wont have any bullet-points to even try to keep him on track.

    Trump has resoundingly lost every single debate he has ever participated in and this format will amplify all of his weaknesses hugely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I am confident that if this debate goes ahead, it will be the last.



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