Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122313355#Comment_122313355

At this point, I think so. Should Biden remain the nominee - which I think will be the likely outcome - unless something happens to really turn down the message that's spreading since yesterday, CFTrump edges him out in the swing states.

BorneTobyWilde

I'm not going to have a go at an old man like Biden, we'll all get old. It's hard to see how he can be president for another 4 years though, if he's at this stage of decline today.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122313398#Comment_122313398

Are you implying this was all part of a plan?

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122312977#Comment_122312977

Oh come off it. First I've never ever "shilled" for that vile specimen and secondly anyone who thinks Biden will be the candidate now is delusional and wants a Trump win.

He can't be the candidate after that. They need to act fast. I believe Obama had a heart to heart with him today to try convince him to step out of the race.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122316006#Comment_122316006

Obama is tweeting this so not giving any indication publicly of that. The opposite.

Bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight — and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night didn’t change that, and it’s why so much is at stake in November. http://joebiden.com

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1806758633230709017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1806768953689067845%7Ctwgr%5Ed8349a433c1462bfe45a08fa5f3d2610b50cccc8%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058151352%2Fjoe-biden-presidency-thread-please-read-op-threadbanned-users-added-4-5-21%2Fp677

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122315144#Comment_122315144

Who's YOUR choice then?

dublin49

Biden decent guy but too old ,one thing I noted is that Trump never ever name checks a law,policy or piece of legislation,he literally is detail free ,Biden for all his shortcomings now provides more specific information than Trump ever does.incredible.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122316106#Comment_122316106

He won't say it publicly, not to seem hard on a man who is no longer in control of his faculties but if he wants a Democrat in the whitehouse next year he'll tell Biden's wife to get him to read out a statement of withdrawal.

Strazdas

New York Times editorial board (who supported Biden four years ago) have called on him to withdraw from the contest.

aloyisious

It probably would be better for Biden if he decided to leave the re-election stage for the betterment of the presidency, the US and for a Democrat candidate to take his place, pushing the angle that it was the "presidential" thing to do. They need some-one who can hammer Trump where it hurts most, in the ego, and take the war to him.

I know Trump would make hay on that move on "Truth Social", but he'll make noises no matter what Biden and the Democrats do now on whom represents them as their party candidate. It would be something Trump, due to his nature, would not like, having to face off against a more active candidate. It would really stick it to the GOP in a "what do we do now? way" for choosing him to represent them as their candidate for the third time and allowing him to stack the GOP top deck with "loyalists".

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122316241#Comment_122316241

Dubious. If he was planning to speak to Biden to urge him not to run - the point I responded to, he'd hardly tweet that would he? He'd say nothing.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317159#Comment_122317159

Is it?

Or maybe Obama has seen more of Biden than we have and doesnt see anything like that.

Again multiple dubious claims. A very specific claim was made about Obama. A claim with no supporting evidence. Seems entirely reasonable to point out Obama strongly backing him publicly is contrary to that speculation.

pixelburp

What do people expect if Biden gave up the candidacy for another? It'd be madness, a bloodbath and would make his presidency a lame duck - and you could guarantee the GOP would be screaming at him to step down. They practically had a fit when Obama tried to get a new Supreme Court Judge in "an election year", could you imagine the histrionics if Biden became a nominal caretaker president?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317205#Comment_122317205

Ok.

If he wants to pretend that that debate was a one off. Let him but there is no way he does not view Biden as unable for the job and much of normal life.

Given what we have seen over a long period of time, he will have seen more.

Personally I hope they stick with Biden for the damage it will do to the Democrats in Congress and the Senate, nevermind the Whitehouse race.

If they want to have any chance they need a candidate who does not have a profound mental impairment.

Do you honestly believe that Biden is no profoundly impaired now, it is only a religious type certainty that denies it.

Happy are those who have seen but still do not believe

At a practical level Democrats running for Congress or senate won't want to now campaign with him because of damage to their own chances.

Biden might pick up again. Might not, the nature of dementia, but he also may have a further rapid determination where his ability to speak and interact is affected at a very basic level.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317159#Comment_122317159

OK let's pretend you've qualifications in geriatrics, you'd then know that no diagnosis of dementia could ever be made outside a clinical setting without regulated testing. But then again let me guess, you're an expert in financial and banking control in 2008 or a virology and pharmacogy in 2020.

Now I'm not saying he doesn't, however you know just watching what's displayed on TV doesn't represent any kind of testing, so saying that he does have dementia should be really met with scoff and derision

For qualification, my partner is a GP with a specialisation in geriatrics

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317308#Comment_122317308

You're just projecting what you think Obama should do.

The point is, there's zero evidence Obama is doing any of those things. That was the point I responded to, and you jumped in to reply to my post - again, with zero evidence.

I'm the one looking for evidence, and you're talking nonsense therefore about 'religious type certainty'.

If you've no evidence, we're done here as you are just venting at this point.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317453#Comment_122317453

I'm saying what Obama should do for the benefit of the democratic party, as an elder statesman of the party he has a role to play.

I find it hard to believe he has washed his hands of it all and won't step up to help.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317640#Comment_122317640

Ever heard of the term Occams Razor

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4744889-joe-biden-has-a-cold-debate/

Piskin

Trump has learned from his earlier debates against Biden, he was calm, composed and coherent. Biden once and for all proved to us all that he has been propped up like a cardboard pin up these last 3 years by the powers that be in the DNC. Trump is going to take at least 2 blue states in the election.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317653#Comment_122317653

Ok, it's a cold that he has had for a very long time and is getting progressively worse. Why not.

It's finished his Presidency and may damage his party unless they can get rid of him or a packet of strepsils .

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122313461#Comment_122313461

While Biden's performance was extremely poor (I've only seen snippets mind) the only people I can see having their minds changed on the basis of it would be republican voters who were feeling queasy about Trump and his criminal antics and were contemplating lending their vote to the Democrats for a term.

What % of the US voting public that would be is anyone's guess though.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318247#Comment_122318247

…oh it was bad, very very bad, id trump has this one unless the dems pull a miracle out of the bag…..

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317308#Comment_122317308

A profound mental impairment - a tad over-emotive label to use on the sitting US president?

It seems to me, on looking back over the behaviour of both the 45th and 46th presidents, both in and out of that office, the present one seems to have behaved in a more adult way in performing the jobs he was tasked with.

In any case, the decision has not been made yet by the electorate at large on whether they prefer the 45th over the 46th in the upcoming election. The polls are not a guarantee on the outcome, just people looking at graphs and making guesstimates.

Flaneur OBrien

His upcoming sentencing day will be VERY unpredictable.

I still think Merchan will want to imprison him due to his behaviour in and towards the court, but if he'll be allowed* imprison the favourite for the presidency is another thing altogether. I can't see it happening after that sh*tshow of a debate.

*If you believe he is allowed to be independent on this, I have a bridge to sell you.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318468#Comment_122318468

No. He is no longer able for the job. When you can't talk coherently without autocue or answer questions because of the depth of cognitive decline that's a profound mental impairment.

He is probably not able to drive safely, live independently. If he was someone's parent, it would be time to look at putting him in a nursing home.

Comparing him to anyone else does not change that. If Trump never existed it still wouldn't change that Biden is no longer in full faculty.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318549#Comment_122318549

It's measure of what we're dealing with here that reading your post, it wasn't clear until the last sentence were you talking about Trump or Biden.

Neither should be there, both are, Biden is still more capable for the role, and more effective in doing it.

I think people are flat out ignoring the reality of what Trump is and was just because Biden is no longer as sharp as he'd like to be.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318549#Comment_122318549

One snag with this is that its only pertinent to the Biden V Trump re-election race, and not Biden V anyone else. Trump has had recent issues with the device feeding him his lines as well. making it appear he has speech-reading problems.

Your second Para may be taking a leap in the dark; making presuppositions about Bidens mental capacity. Are you suggesting that Biden should be sidelined via the clause in the constitution allowing for the promotion of the V/P into the job?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318610#Comment_122318610

Trump isn't great but Biden is bad for his age and is far gone. Trump is largely the same as he was 4 years ago, for good or ill, Joe is a shadow of himself, in reality Joe Biden, the person is disappearing but the body is still carrying on.

Not everything in life is a comparison. Joe's mind is gone and that's all there is, who he is running against or for, nothing changes that. In 2 years he won't know his wife or child.

That's one of the hardest things about these conditions.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318667#Comment_122318667

Biden certainly hasn't the mental capacity to do the job and more importantly, unlike Reagan, isn't at an early stage where it can be covered up or bluffed through.

I'm saying he is not fit for the job and is not far off round the clock supervision.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318897#Comment_122318897

So you clearly believe he's not mentally fit to continue as the serving 46th president. Presumably, therefor, you must conclude he is a liability to the US as it's president; somewhat of a clear and present danger requiring both political parties to step forward and remove him from office as required by the constitution.

Trump and the GOP don't seem to have come to the same conclusion about the risk you see Biden is to the US, let alone the Democrats, as they are not making moves to have Biden step aside under the constitution.