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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    So even though you recognise Putin and his cronies are orchestrating this, you don't think they had anything to do with the knife on a long stick attack?

    Attacking a border guard with a knife on a long stick seems a strange way to seek asylum to me. Why didn't they just sneak under the fence as others crossing do?

    I've shared the links several times on how people are crossing the 'hard' border in Poland, despite the 10,000 soldiers and thousands of cameras, do I need to do so again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Well done! Full marks for dragging the thread off topic by playing the old racist card. 10/10.

    We all cheered when Adam Idah scored the other night didn’t we? Who cares what colour his skin is,

    The thread is about ILLEGAL immigration and can unlimited numbers be housed and can the country afford the welfare bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I think the concern we're presented with here isn't so much about non-white Irish, as it is a supposed attack on our 'Irish culture'.

    It seems cultural purity is the ideology embraced these days by the far-right and anti-immigration movements. Previous generations of these movements were more direct about protecting 'racial purity'.

    Whether this transition is genuine or merely a guise to make their ideologies more palatable for a wider public, well your guess is as good as mine. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    We clearly all didn't cheer Adam Idah scoring though. The son of Nigerian man. We've all seen the comments here, let's not pretend otherwise. The same with Rhasidat adeleke who parents are Nigerian. Clearly people on this thread are worried about the future of Ireland and our culture when we let foreigners into Ireland.

    Blind As A bat himself quoted the 20% figure being migrants. Those 20% aren't all here illegally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,233 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    The immigration debate is a weird one. Everyone is anti immigration but they just disagree on where to draw the line.

    Maybe some people don't realize they are anti immigration and being from the dreaded hard right must be a tough pill to swallow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    "I never felt skin colour is what made a person Irish."

    Indeed. Phil Lynott was a Dub, through and through and he wasn't even born here.

    I'm just not too hopeful for the survival of what's left of our culture when so many Irish people seem to despise it. I quoted an Irish poet and I'm sneered at by another poster and cast in the role of an ignorant, small-minded bogger. If I were a newly arrived Nigerian and I quoted an African poet, would I be sneered at by the same poster? I doubt it very much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    I don't think anyone has cast you in the role of an ignorant, small minded bogger for simply quoting an Irish poem.

    While we are on the subject, what do you consider Irish culture?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I personally cheered Idah’s goal - I’m not hopeful we’ll have much to cheer v Portugal but if we do we’ll cheer regardless of skin colour or birthplace. You put on the green shirt and you’re ours.


    Those in the far left and their cheerleaders want to paint everyone who wants a realistic conversation on immigration and setting a sensible asylum policy as racists - they have no real cogent argument and so can only smear and troll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,233 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    I'm not painting anyone as racist. People on this thread have shared plenty of stores about driving to their local nature area and seeing loads of migrants there, walking into their local cafe and seeing more migrants than "irish" and driving past football grounds and seeing migrants playing football as all negative things and an erosion of Irish culture. Do you accept this conversation on immigration has to include a conversation about not letting too many foreigners in? That seems a message that has repeatedly been presented in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,233 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Indeed. Something you know but cannot be defined.

    Stop trying to get people to define Irish culture. It's like a castle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


     "what do you consider Irish culture?"

    That's a question that can't be answered in a glib soundbite - and I am aware of the apparent irony that there are already many threads in the tapestry of our cultural history. But the Irish people who are a big part of the culture obviously - well we are a mix of Gaelic, Old English and plantation English blood, I am myself, and I think that gives us our particular traits which always seem to be so obvious to visitors. Ask anybody who's visited Ireland what Irish people are like, or how our culture appears to them and that's your answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Well I know my local “far right” candidate is a complete head the ball. There would be people who think there is too much immigration but at the same time can’t bring themselves to vote for a mentalist. Perhaps that was the case elsewhere. Also I only ever saw SF getting criticised/getting the most of the criticism while the actual government got off Scott free in comparison. I did find that tactic a bit bizarre , SF had a stinker but the government parties did well. I wonder will they change tactics and attack the government more now or stick with SF. Atrocious election for the “far right” as you put it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    So Irish culture can be eroded and taken away but it can't be defined. I won't lie, that gave me a good laugh. How can you know something is being eroded if you can't even describe what it is?

    Here's the dictionary definition of castle. Is that good enough for you?

    a large building, typically of the medieval period, fortified against attack with thick walls, battlements, towers, and in many cases a moat.

    Do you think Rhasidat Adeleke is Irish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭star61


    I hope all the different nationalities that are moving here are as kind , friendly , helpful, funny & chatty as the Irish people are. I hope they are also as loyal & inclusive. only time will tell. What do you think makes an Irish person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    The fact you’re using a Dublin born girl who has achieved so much to make your point shows the mean spirit of the left. Off to ignore you go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    can we leave the colour of peoples skin out of the discussion? There are real issues around migration that need to be discussed and various solutions to address these

    One doesn’t need however to dog whistle as that won’t accomplish anything constructive



  • Site Banned Posts: 22 Jimmychoo9


    Where did he say they are coming to murder us again? Must have missed that bit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I didn't sneer at you for posting an Irish poem!

    I was poking fun at your fear-mongering and ideas of cultural purity.

    Always with the fake news!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    I don't really know if the concept exists, and if it does, it ceetainly has nothing to do with bloodline. Irish people aren't homogeneous, hive minds. Do I think members and voters of the National Party, Irish Freem Party and other such parties are kind, friendly, helpful and inclusive people? No, absolutely not. Are they Irish? Yes.

    Im not sure why using someone who has achieved much less would make it any better. Seems a very peculiar take. Given the person thinks that a large element of being Irish is "a mix of Gaelic, Old English and plantation English blood" I am simply curious as to what his opinion is on someone who is born in Ireland but has none of those three traits as their parents are Nigerian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    For some of the hard left loons on here celebrating the local election outcome as some sort of victory for pro-immigration, don't get too carried away. It wasn't so long ago that there was a very clear anti-government vote with the recent referendum. This actually instigated some changes in government migration policy.

    Secondly, local elections - by their nature - are much more parochial. People vote for the local man/woman who gets the potholes filled. So I wouldn't attribute the stability we're seeing with FFG to some pro-immigration sentiment amongst the public. Furthermore, even in these local elections, we've seen a significant increase in the independents - they are at 19%, not far off FFG. Read into that what you will, but the immigration issue - despite your wishes - hasn't and won't go away.



  • Site Banned Posts: 22 Jimmychoo9


    Wait a minute, A few hours ago you couldn't understand why I was using an extreme outcome to prove a point but now a few hours later you can't rap your head around why using an extreme outcome to prove a point would be an issue. Which is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    Well I don't have to now do I

    By your own admission above you engage and proliferate off topic posting.

    As a prolific poster this means you are the one pulling and keeping the debate off topic

    If you want to contribute positively, please tell us how many asylum seekers we should take in the aggregate. You can answer either as a number or percentage of the population and what happens when we reach that number

    And do not go off topic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I poked fun at what the poster said, not the poster.

    I think that's allowed, unless you want it 'cancelled' 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,249 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I wonder should those providing tents now be prosecuted or have funding cut at this point. The government has cleared these encampments 3 times and it's obviously the same charity handing out tents as they are all the same each time.

    You'd suspect this charity is directing them to these locations in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A lot of independents aren't 'right wing' though. Many of these will have campaigned in this election on local issues and others will have previously been left or centre affiliated. The ones fixated on immigration or refugees will presumably join the actual right wing / hard right parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭star61


    I believe we are inextricably shaped by the landscape and people we grew up around, and if you move away, you take a piece of that with you. Being away often reminds me that the kindness of Irish strangers is like no other. I’ll meet other Irish people, and that bond is warm and familiar.

    No matter what city you’re in, whatever part of the world, and whether you’re there for two days or two years, you are always glad to find someone who shares a piece of Ireland with you. And there’s nothing more special than getting to share The Magic of Ireland.

    It’s sad you don’t think the concept exists. All people have different characteristics and no the Irish are not homogenous but I think there is a sense of belonging that links us.



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