Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122231528#Comment_122231528

One word WRONG. Tell me one more country in world you can do this. Maybe Putin will throw in a vote too. Fly him over to pop in a ballot

babyducklings1

Considering we’re dishing out the votes to all and sundry,I suggest we let our Irish secondary school kids vote in local elections once they reach the age of 16. Their community too. Let them have a say in the things they want done in their local area. Probably never happen though.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233130#Comment_122233130

Really?

Many countries allow non citizens to vote in various different elections, there is a post on here listing some of them already by another poster. But here is some light reading for you

Most EU countries allow non citizens to vote in different elections.

Jersey, Malawi, Morocco, Norway, South Korea, Switzerland,

seems a lot of commonwealth countries allow voting rights to citizens of other commonwealth countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_suffrage

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232699#Comment_122232699

I think the phrase you're looking for is election interference.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233278#Comment_122233278

Gay

Religious

Ginger

Slipper slope this potential list for asylum seekers from safe countries.

zell12

Healy Rae gets €50k a month for one property! 😮

Healy Rae’s Rosemount Guest House received €151,320 for first quarter 2024. This is in addition to the €766,650 the guest house has received in the prior five quarters for accommodating Ukrainians.

https://www.thejournal.ie/michael-healy-rae-paid-e150000-to-house-ukrainian-refugees-6401658-Jun2024/

The overall national bill for accommodating Ukrainians & IPAs for the first three months of 2024 totals €428.34 million – €4.7m per day

DeadHand

It's beyond sinister that at least one NGO is, apparently, rounding up IPAs and bringing them to polling stations to "ensure they vote correctly".

"Voting correctly" meaning a vote for yet more NGO funding and influence; yet more of the nation's space and resources surrendered to largely fraudulent IPAs. The contiuation and acceleration of limitless, barely regulated mass immigration

This is the manipulation of voters who are in the country a wet week who likely only heard of Ireland recently, and, in many cases, still could not identify it on a map, tell you what type of state it is (besides a weak and wealthy one) or tell you its basic history. Who have made no contribution to and have no connection or claim to Ireland.

Native Irish communities across the country are now being told that not only are we imposing these people on you against your will, we are also diluting your democratic agency. They will shape your destiny: they will decide who governs you. In time, they will govern you.

It's "only" the locals today, now watch as they push for more.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233478#Comment_122233478

It's the duty of every business to increase the number of customers and increase profits. No point blaming the NGOs for doing their job, it's the government policies that should be focused on.

Ozvaldo

Think you missed the point that the government got the NGOs to sabotage the voting

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232484#Comment_122232484

This is one the of most disturbing things I've seen in our politics for some time.

DeadHand

I'm confused by the moderation on this thread as regards anecdotes.

I've followed it it for some time and have noted that while some anecdotes have resulted in immediate threadbans, others have been allowed to stand, apparently without censure, and the posters responsible continue to post freely on the thread.

Are anecdotes allowed or not?

Are only certain anecdotes allowed?

If so, what type of anecdotes are acceptable and what type of anecdotes are unacceptable?

I think clarity is needed as I doubt I'm the only one confused.

Blind As A Bat

Last year and again recently RTE had a piece about the graduates of a Migrant Leadership course.

"The Migrant Leadership Academy and Migrant Councillor Internship Scheme are aimed at improving representation and developing leadership skills.

They are also designed to enable the participants to become advocates and voices for their communities and to break down barriers.

The participants, who are migrants and refugees, were presented with Certificates of Recognition during a ceremony at EPIC, the museum in Dublin honouring emigrants from Ireland."

I'm totally against this. I see this as divisive, not inclusive. If you're permanently settled in Ireland (though it's not clear if these graduates are), then you become 'one of us', part of our community. You should work for and listen to everybody in that community, not only people of your race, religion or country of origin. If you want to be Irish, then be Irish. Be what you profess to be.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233582#Comment_122233582

But according to lots of posters on here they don't become 'one of us'. Especially the non-white ones and the Muslims. The posters in here tell us they'll never be Irish and have the same culture. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't tell immigrants their not Irish and never will be and then tell them they also can't advocate on behave of other immigrants. O

Repro212

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233541#Comment_122233541

It's manipulation of the electorate, on an industrial scale. Surely a violation of what democracy is supposed to be? Already prioritised for housing, every fake IPA arriving over the border is now being coached to ensure dilution of the native Irish vote.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233582#Comment_122233582

But I thought you want migrants to integrate. To do this, they need positive role models and community members who have successfully integrated to support them.

We do not want to assimilate refugees, we want to integrate them, and doing this will allow us to share the benefits of their culture which will make Ireland a better more diverse place to live.

Or maybe you'd prefer the good old days when all music food and sports were homogeneous, meat and 2 veg, trad and GAA

dominatinMC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233484#Comment_122233484

Is an NGO really a "business" ? They are supposed to be non-profit, so I would argue not..

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233700#Comment_122233700

But that's all irrelevant to the topic at hand. If posters here are members of the National Party I don't see how that has any relevance either. People are entitled to post whoever they are.

I do understand the meaning of irony, but you clearly don't understand the meaning of obsession.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233810#Comment_122233810

I think it is better to focus on the politicians that are relentlessly calling large parts of the electorate far right, rather than anonymous posters.

Early yet with the count but it looks like many politicians that openly despise the electorate are going to be elected. That is interesting, hard to explain for sure but could be down to the very poor alternatives available.

Blind As A Bat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233656#Comment_122233656

"maybe you'd prefer the good old days when all music food and sports were homogeneous, meat and 2 veg, trad and GAA"

That statement demonstrates considerable ignorance of our social history, is disrespectful of our ancestors and is not accurate either. The GAA is a comparatively recent part of our history and actually it has been great at integrating newcomers in a way that makes them part of the community.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233621#Comment_122233621

They don't if you treat them as 'different' and encourage them to identify as migrants, rather than members of Irish society.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233889#Comment_122233889

You mean many politicians that despise a very small percentage of the electorate. And they will be elected because a large portion of the electorate despise a small percentage of the electorate becuase of their views. Democracy in action. Love to see it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233915#Comment_122233915

They are encouraged to identify as migrants though. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. But also, you can be a migrant and a member of Irish society. I don't see why it has to be pitched as one or the other.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233889#Comment_122233889

The alternative explanation is that the bunch of hard right types on social media, flooding the platforms with thousands of tweets and retweets a day were only ever a relatively small bubble.

Even in the UK (or England specifically) with its right wing media, Reform under Farage are only on 17% at the moment and that is probably the absolute upper ceiling for the hard right.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122234094#Comment_122234094

Still hard to comprehend that it appears the electorate have come out very strongly in favour of FFG. I thought there was an appetite for change but maybe the choice for change just wasn't there.

This could be a green light to continue current asylum seeker policies and actions.

Francie Barrett

https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/infamous-sex-beast-with-15-convictions-deported-to-the-congo-by-gardai/a685829792.html

A serial sex offender and we still haven't got rid of him. Says it all really.

Blind As A Bat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233939#Comment_122233939

"They are encouraged to identify as migrants though".

Encouraged by whom? I think there has to be a balance. I trained as a Montessori primary teacher and Dr Montessori's approach 'education for peace' was that we should always focus on what we have in common, not on our differences.

I would say that it's good to acknowledge where somebody is from, but making a song and dance over it is not good. When I was teaching in Dublin, (Ballymun, Cabra and south inner city) I always had a fair number of foreign nationals in the class, usually about 20 - 30%. I had a world map at the children's eye level and the foreign kids would sit on the floor in front of it and have fun pointing out to the Irish kids where they came from. It was very good for the Irish kid's Geography :) 'Teacher, look that's where Karim is from, that's Algeria'.

But on St Patrick's Day, I used to feel for those kids because it's a day of celebration of being Irish and Irish culture. I didn't want them to feel left out. So I'd say, 'Today we're celebrating how lucky and happy we are to live in Ireland. Some of us were born here and our families have lived here for a long time, some of us were born in other countries and maybe we've only been here a few months, but we all belong' and the kids would wag their heads and say with that kind of sagacity that children demonstrate, 'yeah, Adil came from Bangladesh, didn't you Adil, but you belong to Ireland now'.

Anyway, that was how I dealt with it - that and teaching them an Irish set dance :)

Ten of Swords

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233470#Comment_122233470

Notwithstanding that post is a year old, nobody reported it at the time.

I just checked all of the Reported Posts made from June 23rd to June 28th 2023 and nobody reported that post, simple as that.

You can believe that or not, but none of the mods can read all posts in all threads - especially fast moving ones - so if it isn't reported there is a low probability that it get noticed by mods.

Anyway, I have answered your query so let's get the thread back on topic now. Thanks.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122234103#Comment_122234103

Perhaps immigration / refugees / asylum seekers wasn't quite as big an issue for the electorate as people assumed?

It was nearly getting overlooked that issues like cost of living, housing, healthcare, climate change etc would be just as important to the electorate. Large sections of the population don't live anywhere near an asylum centre and may not have felt personally impacted by the emergency accommodation crisis.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233478#Comment_122233478

I have a suspicion that foreign election candidates are targeting foreign voters and have some inside information .

LongfordMB

I see they've finally deported a guy from the Congo after 19 previous convictions. So we allow him to commit 19 crimes in our lovely country before finally deporting, what a joke of a system

Government ministers standing up saying there no link between immigration and crime is total misinformation. They are including legal migrants like French IT workers in that. The link between asylum and crime is clear and irrefutable, and adding thousands of young unidentified males to an area does increase volume of crime. Theyve already committed a crime getting here by handing their ID to a human trafficker ffs! Our citizens are supposed to face higher crime volume so some NGO activists can have nice warm fuzzy feelings?

babaracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122234226#Comment_122234226

There was nobody to vote for. The only real opposition or questioning of immigration issues came from the holy Catholic Ireland brigade and nutjobs. A new party, pro divorce, abortion and anti nanny state but also hard on crime, immigration and welfare dependency is badly needed.

There is a huge swathe of the electorate unrepresented on the ballot paper.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233889#Comment_122233889

I'd say there's a large amount of people who vote and don't follow politics and haven't really an idea of who they're voting for or what they stand for but have been told its their civic duty to vote. They might recognise a name on the ballot sheet and give a vote which gives the usual suspects a big advantage based on familiarity alone.

Sure one of my family members said they voted for Niall Boylan in the euros and a PBP candidate in the locals which doesn't make much sense. My mother voted for some Indian lad because he sent her a Christmas card.