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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Sinn Fein didn't do very well but probably better than they did in 2019. The far right liars and racists have been largely kept out with about 5% of the vote and their rise greatly exaggerated

    So for me it's still a good result



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If I was Simon Harris I'd be having the GE as soon as possible based on today's results



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Whilst encouraging for FF/FG these elections are, after all, secondary elections. No one really cares who is on the coucil and whilst the positions of MEP carry more weight no one ever heard from their MEP from one election to another.

    At the general election it'll be a different story as, for a start, the three party leaders will be standing on their record and as candidates themselves.

    Nevertheless FF/FG will bribe people with their own money (they gave carers a massive bonus on Thursday) and the influx of immigrations into working class areas will continue on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    As a SF supporter, what do you think they have to do to regain the momentum they had?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yep thankfully we seem to be still a good bit away from idiocracy.

    SF need to learn that the shouting and roaring vote is a fickle one and they're always liable to find something else. If you want to attract the middle ground you need calm, centrist and fair economic policies.

    A good proportion of people are doing well here, economy, employment and quality of life wise, and amidst all the noise of various 'crises' will quietly express their satisfaction with the status quo in the polling booth.

    There is simply not enough 'change' required.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    SF's main problem is that they feel they can come out as the largest party on one policy only - housing. They isolated their own supporters on immigration and woke politics (which Mary Lou will not change position on) and so not doing better than they expected to do is probably down to their supporters staying at home.

    MLMcD is going to have to demand more from her shadow ministers with policies that grab the public's attention.

    If not then she won't be in government after the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I’ve never understood why Martin Kenny hasn’t had a more prominent role.
    Competent and comes across as a decent skin.
    Have heard rumblings he doesn’t get on particularly well with Sean MacManus in Sligo which might be the reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Last time out they only ran, something like 22 candidates and returned 21 or somewhere around that ball park? You need 82 I think to have a full majority. Will they be able to find 60 more candidates for the general election and get them all in? I'm doubtful. In my opinion, they need to pick their potential coalition partners, Social Democrats and/or Labour I reckon, ahead of the general election and try to get voters to transfer kindly.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭O'Neill




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Take stock.
    It's a volatile electorate at the moment. I think they did admirably to not chase the far right vote and they should hold to that.
    They should, when the dust settles, realise that the locals are not a GE and get back to holding this government to account on the key issues of failure.
    IMO they don't need a leader change for the sake of it, but a few others need to up their game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    132,000 carers were given a €1850 payment at a cost of €275m to the citizens of Ireland on Thursday - the day before the election. FF/FG have given welfare dependents (more likely to support SF) over double an increase as to what they gave their own supporters in the public service for 2024 with Christmas bonuses extending to include January bonuses. Dumping loads of immigrants into SF supporting areas and watching MLMcD support it all was always to end badly for SF.

    Also those most likely to vote SF on housing are emigrating (30,000+ in 2023….similar figures to the 1980s).

    I expect similar to happen in early 2025. FF/FG will use the state's finances as their own personal bank account to shore money into people's pockets as public services go neglected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Ideally it would be nice to have given the govt parties a kicking so they might change their health policy but if the far right had a rise I'd be looking to get out of the country. As it stands I'm just looking at health insurance policies so I don't get killed in UHL.

    Definitely a better of 2 evils



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I think you’re significantly overestimating the ability of any government to impact the day to day running of a single hospital in Limerick.

    The government gives ample (arguably excessive) funding to the Health service. It is at much much more operational levels that the failures are occurring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭pureza


    I see so if he GE waa held the same day as the locals,SF would have done a lot better?

    Yeah right

    Friday was the ultimate snapshot of public opinion at the moment I'm afraid and Sinn Féin would be right to be worried about it despite your best face on it

    My take would be the more obvious,the public can see through mass pirouetting and probably questioned how genuine or thrustworthy it was



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    The government are responsible to the people for the operation of the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I see so if he GE waa held the same day as the locals,SF would have done a lot better?

    Still putting words in people's mouth's in order to have an angle.

    I didn't say that. The undeniable fact is that in 2019 the picture changed radically after the LE's.
    No reason in the world that can't happen again.
    It might see SF decline further or one of FF or FG getting an overall majority. Who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    As a taxpayer their clear position to not continuously throw money at an inefficient system (hiring freezes etc.) is exactly what I would have wanted to see in terms of what can actually be done short term. Great tone setting from the top.

    Making something as complex as the HSE be ‘more efficient’ is going to take decades. The idea the current government can just change its policy, or a new government introduce theirs and all will be well is laughable. It’s a juggernaut, not a speedboat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes I think per patient there's more money given to our health service than there is in the private healthcare service per patient. How is that do you think?

    Obviously now there's no chance of St John's, Ennis or Nenagh opening and they're probably going to push ahead with moving the maternity out there so the private Bon Secours is probably our only chance in that area of not being killed while being treated

    But hey, that's democracy for you 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Making something as complex as the HSE be ‘more efficient’ is going to take decades.

    They have had decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Nothing like a global pandemic and all the associated delays in people seeking medical treatment followed by a huge growth in population to put strain into the system. But hey, the default approach in Ireland is to complain



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Yet they have thrown €2,500,000,000 at the world's most expensive hospital but you want to see hiring freezes? Hiring freezes which put people's lives at risk and force existing employees to take on extra workloads?

    When I see comments like this it's no wonder FF/FG did well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ah right, there was no crisis in the health system before Covid.

    That's me told. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭pureza




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn't say it Pureza. If you are gonna spend another day putting words in my mouth I have no interest in anything you have to say.
    As another newspaper said, FG and FF supporters are 'giddy' how right they are. Enjoy the moment,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Capital expenditure vs ongoing incremental inefficiency in regular spend are very different.

    There is nothing more dangerous than an inefficient operation finding out it has no budget constraints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    FF/FG are the inefficient operation and access to our money is unlimited to their friends in the construction industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭pureza


    I'm not an FG supporter though

    Just an observer like yourself ; )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Putting words in my mouth again
    I NEVER said I was an 'observer.
    I have had no qualms and have not hidden I am a SF voter, in 2020 and in the 2024 LE's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The problem really is the SF expectation vs what happened, in 2019 they returned just 81 seats in the locals and just one in Europe

    They are on course to do better in both elections but we're expected to do much much better



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There was strain on every health service during the covid pandemic. It is notable that other countries were much faster at re-opening than we were, on last count we were 8 months later than our nearest neighbours in England. This to me is a testament to just how badly the health service is run here



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