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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A similar technological revolution in the 1980s destroyed RTE as a monopoly broadcaster in Ireland. From the 1970s onwards, Cablelink and some of the other cable TV operations brought crosss-channel TV stations to Irish audiences. That meant that RTE was seeing competition from BBC, ITV and C4. RTE got a bit of a reprieve because most homes had only one TV set so people were largely stuck watching what the adults wanted to watch. Then, in the early 1980s, the manufacturing costs of TVs started to fall as the Asian manufacturers geared up for the European markets. Families began to buy second TVs (often portables) for the kids. The kids no longer had the same loyalty to RTE as their parents. The audience for RTE was changing and RTE never noticed.

    At the same time, RTE radio, even with 2FM/Radio 2, couldn't compete with the pirate stations. It now had a new generation of viewers and listeners growing up watching and listening to RTE's competitors. The VCRs made things worse for RTE as most people would have already seen the "big movies" that RTE would later broadcast FTA. Ironically, RTE and An Post/TE jointly owned Cablelink and its Dublin net was the biggest cable TV network in Europe in the 1980s.

    Cablelink was testing cable broadband with bandwidth over ten times that of ordinary dial-up in 1998. Unfortunately, that kind of innovation takes money and vision. RTE decided to spend the money on its management and zelebrities rather than upgrading the cable networks and the RTE/TE run Cablelink networks were not upgraded for broadband. UPC and Virgin would later buy Cablelink, upgrade the networks, and effectively dominate the television market in Ireland.

    The collapse of the DVD rental chains meant that DVDs switched from being something people rented to something people bought. The record and CD shops benefited for a while. With the rise of Napster and music piracy on the Internet, these shops came under a lot of pressure. DVDs began to be sold online and often at a better price than those in the shops. DVDs required players. As laptop PCs developed, they also included DVD reader/writers so playing DVDs became more than just watching DVDs on the main TV. People were able to watch them on their laptops too. But then laptops got access to the Internet and as download speeds improved (early/mid 2000s), people started to download movies rather than buy DVDs. The RTE mindset was stuck in monopoly mode and oblivious to the way that people were watching TV and movies was changing.

    Forbes was just another in that long line of RTE monopoly types even though she had experience of the Pay TV business. The problem for the Pay TV business was fragmentation (lots of people watching or wanting different channels), Piracy, and changing technologies causing new competitors (streaming). RTE's old viewing audience had been split with the advent of cable TV and satellite TV. But the range of channels available meant that specialist programming could be provided for audiences as part of a subscription tier. RTE had no such options and was never even likely to innovate given the size of the market and the lack of abilities of its management to innovate in a changing market. RTE Player was a reactive and quite poor attempt to hold on to some of its audience that it was losing to streamers. RTE needed someone who understood the challenges and was able to innovate. Forbes may have understood some of the challenges. The problem was that she was not able to innovate as the management of RTE was a millstone around the neck of any innovation. And as with the DVD boom and bust, if there's no innovation and adaptation by a broadcaster, its audience will dwindle.

    Regards…jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Regarding the disappearance of Dee Forbes, does she really think that lying low, below the radar etc is a long term strategy? 'Cos it ain't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭Damien360


    this is Ireland. It has worked for many and in 6 weeks the government holidays will arrive until some time in October. By then it will be old news and off she goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    It is working for Rodders and Catherine Martin. She could also try the Leo strategy... leg it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    She's gotten away with for nearly a year now, what's to say she'll just keep on keeping on?

    Post edited by retalivity on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    It shows how pointless Martin is. All the big talk, RTE elite untouched, Forbes will waltz off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    A right thinking government minister would realise that the only option for them would be to split RTÉ up.

    1. People are angry at RTÉ, historically RTÉ have always played the poor man, now we know we got bad content from a mismanagement organisation who just failed to do any work, or avoided working.
    2. People have stopped paying the licence free for this reason, a small proportion may disagree with Public Service Broadcasting but that is a tiny minority.
    3. RTÉ services have never been that good, better to understand what RTÉ currently has making each part smaller than it currently is and invest in content.
    4. Changing the licence fee to support this reformed / broken up public service broadcaster, shows that the new service is moving away from the current mismanagement allowing for better content or at least what might be better content, allowing audience buy into the idea of direct exchequer funding for public service broadcasting.
    5. Changes to governance and some of the Human resource suggestions are now largely changes that would have been made in any organisation, they aren't really new suggestion and they don't real address the issue of content at the broadcaster.

    Martin and the government just sit on reports, and those reports really just relay what we've heard a thousand times before:-

    1. The licence fee is broken
    2. RTÉ does sports and news well, potentially punching above its weight
    3. Implement governance reviews
    4. And sure the future looks bright, lets move on.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The future is not bright. In fact T TV is not being seen by the new generation.

    It's too expensive as is. Move most of it out of Dublin sell the site and start again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Lottery Ryan hanging in there on 2fm getting the 2 Johnny's spot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But do we think that RTÉ could attract new viewers by ditching Broadcast services? Do we believe that an organisation that failed largely in both TV and Radio can provide a better non-broadcast service into the future. Honestly I do not believe so.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,470 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Junior Soprano tried that stunt too, not sure if he got away with it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    He had no choice though, he was under house arrest @Brendan Bendar The only time he got out was to go to funerals, funnily enough disappearing Dee was spotted at a funeral too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah I think people are getting her mixed up with Moya Doherty. Though I wonder if Jim Jennings got to that Funeral.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    Is Dee Forbes the Irish Jane MacLeod ?

    I hope she never gets a minute’s peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This might upset the RTE lifers in 2FM.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-believe-the-station-should-be-privatised-classic-hits-radio-owner-wants-to-buy-rte-2fm-and-is-prepared-to-pay-10m/a1077105122.html

    Will Catherine Martin be interested in the offer and will she have to get advice from Dee and Moya first?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Incredible Forbes is still not been held to account whilst the state still threaten people with jail for not paying for something they don't watch or listen to. Said it when the scandal broke the government will brass neck it out and hope the story disappears over time. RTE is their number 1 propaganda outlet no way will they let that go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    There are a certain countries where she would have been dragged out of her house in handcuffs and made to account for herself at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    Is it actually a fair offer or are they trying to lowball rte? Or is it just a media stunt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Expunge


    A stunt. They wanted to hire Tubs 12 hours after he got the boot from Backhurst.

    Easy media exposure is all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Don't know. The TV licence fee is supposed to be dealt with soon. RTE can't come right out and accept the offer though. It would remove a problem from RTE's balance sheet and would be another nail in Forbes' reputation as DG because it should have been done years ago.

    (RTE apparently does not want to sell.)

    Regards…jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Mr Branigan of Bray Broadcasting/Classic Hits fame, does have form for talking bollocks lest we forget -



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Is Dee Forbes still to sick to answer questions? Can the government not send their own dr to check on her like companies can ask employees to go to the company Dr? She should never have been allowed to resign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    if she’s claiming “Illness benefits” the social welfare can call you in for investigation!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    It will all be sorted soon. A new funding media charge, collection enforced by Revenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Unfortunately she can keep giving the 2 fingers as they’ve no powers to get her to appear. She won’t give the tds their 2 minutes of grand standing to make them look good. Unless it’s a court case she’ll be awol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,415 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    She is not an employee though she is gone she resigned. She can not be forced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,415 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Unfortunately I don't see what she can be got on and as she is now left them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,415 ✭✭✭✭martingriff




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