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General Irish politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I don't think this a reasonable criticism; immigration is a reserved matter and so it is not within the devolved remit of Stormont, Blanch.

    As much as I'm happy to criticise SF's incompetence, I think the Home Office might be unimpressed should they attempt to craft and implement policy relating to immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Eoin O Broin was on the Irish Times podcast last week and asked about why they were explicitly saying that they were not for open borders all of a sudden. He said it was down to the fact that for any content that they put out on social media the comments were swamped with far-right types claiming that Sinn Fein were for in favour of open borders.

    That's probably half true. I'm sure the drop in the polls matched by a rise in independents and concerns over immigration was the other part of the reasoning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Everything was grand when the misinformation being spread by the far right was in SFs favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭pureza


    It seems to be reserved to the Belfast high court at the moment given the Rwanda ruling

    SInn Féin have been most blind sided by the migration crisis as obviously they cannot take their usual populist way out of any topical issue as they can't say close the borders can they

    So theres 10% of the voters looking elsewhere , that were in the Sinn Féin camp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So SF are effectively letting the tail wag the dog, that's really quite pathetic from them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭colly10


    I've never voted for Sinn Fein before but was going to this time around cause I don't agree with alot of decisions made by the current government.
    I've seen very little opposition from them though so i'm no longer considering them. I think many are in the same boat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Is Francie OK? Lots of SF slander going unanswered on this thread in recent times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,577 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Whatever about the length of time it took to do this, the government should be praised for having the bravery to do this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,090 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Completely agree. Are all the parties behind them? I saw that Labour came out in support already, and I have to assume Sinn Féin and Soc Dems are happy too. Would there be anybody in the Dáil who'd be against it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    That surely because there is so little substance there - who are the thinkers, the drivers of ideas in Sinn Fein. And clearly there was a lot of friction in the camp which needed to be addressed, which did not reflect well on the party as a whole; which took away from actual politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,577 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A few independents maybe. Not aware of a political party against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Doubt anyone seriously expects SF to change much if anything. Its all about how giving FF/FG another term of office would basically be rewarding people who have seriously taken the p!ss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Is there any indication of when the next Irish general election will take place? Before Christmas or after?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Has to be held by March 22nd 2025, right now I dont see any reason for it to happen before Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I'd expect early November, as soon as budget and Finance Bill are passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Good point didnt think of that tbh, would make the most sense probably



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    God I hope not. Then it'd clash with the American election. As a political anorak I'd like to space those out as far as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Matt Cooper getting very worried on his podcast about the same prospect - he fancies a week or two stateside for their election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I think the Greens want the current government to go as long as possible. They know that the majority of them are likely to lose their seats so they want to squeeze as much time out as possible. As for the others…A lot will depend on how the June elections go. If they do better than expected then they're likely to want to go sooner rather than later.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'd be very surprised if it was this year. Their one huge project they could point to in Metrolink has a good chance of being on the move by Feb or so next year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,672 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    At a guess, I'd say they won't want to hold it too close to their St Patrick's Day getaways or during their long summer holidays. They might go October and bring the budget forward to September, or else January



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,298 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    And Dart+ West. If that has gone to procurement, Greens like ROG would want that for their re-election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So Sunak jumped because he realised none of his "things that might buy votes" list could happen. Interest rates aren't coming down, unless they interfered with the politically independent BoE. There's no more money coming in for tax cuts. And the Rwanda flights can't happen in time (if ever); plus it isn't stopping the boat crossings anyway. There was not one single way they could try convince voters to come back to them.

    Over here, the opposite situation is in place - they'd probably want to hang on to the last day and go longer if there was any legal method to do so; because there is headroom to improve polling in that time.

    There is money for tax cuts, at least temporarily. Housing starts are up significantly and there's a lot of very large apartment developments near complete in Dublin at least. And the main opposition party have hit a wall and may veer off one direction to target specific voters and shed the floating voters back to Government or other opposition parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,282 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There is a wide range of voting options, esp in the local elections here this time. More right wing and against the mainstream candidates of all descriptions. The results will be interesting and a good detailed analysis will offer a lot of insight. Much more so than polls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,121 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah but given the way politics works in this country, that could cost them more votes outside Dublin than win them votes in Dublin…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The "dem up in dubberlin" crowd have never voted Green anyway



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's a reasonable (and infuriating) point, though I guess those people so inclined would be angry at the concept of the project and the fact they haven't been able to get anything actually done. I think ultimately having shovels in the ground on such a huge project is a positive on the whole and there is still a good chance they can do that before the election.

    Ultimately, thing weren't going to get any better in the UK, things might here. So I wouldn't see them rushing into an election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,282 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Our country, is in a much better place than the UK. There is no comparison. Crack the affordable housing conundrum and try and improve health access and it will not be a bad place to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I'm actually pleasantly surprised to read that more women than ever are putting themselves forward for election. Given the abuse that many sitting female politicians have received I thought we might see a drop off in numbers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Later this year we might be looking at contract signings for the M21 Adare Bypass and M28 to Ringaskiddy, with the last section of N5 currently being upgraded, so the government could have a decent regional spread of infrastructural projects. Also works happening at Galway Ceannt Station as well as commuter rail network upgrades in Cork. Lots of improved bus services all over the country too.

    There are a lot of housing units under construction and the government will want to get as many sets of keys hanhanded over as possible. The National Children's Hospital has obviously been a source of negative headlines but if fit out works are happening, they'll at least have something to show.

    Time is the government parties friend but I wouldn’t be convinced that the SF decline will be a trend for too long. If they hold off on the GE for too long, SF might regain some of the ground they seem to have lost. Hard to know what impact the Local/European Elections will have, if the government parties get a spanking some of the spankers may be happy to go back to them, but if all these small parties split the anti-government vote, SF may be able to put forward a better case for high transfers to go to them.



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