Israel/Palestine Thread

You still are continuing to confuse two separate issues. Yes there of course is an intractable and ever running Palestinian / Israeli issue and honestly we could talk all night on this and like many before make little progress. Fundamentally you have two tribes who both want to live in the same place. It's really little more complicated than that but entirely intractable. Yes you then have outside influences who will take advantage of the situation to promote their own agenda.

But the problem today is not a Palestinian / Israeli problem, it is an Israeli / Iranian problem and to even begin to understand what to do next you have to accept and understand this. Hamas following it's move away from Saudi funding (due to US pressure on Saudi) is entirely in the pocket of Iran. (With funds coming from Syria and around the gulf as well but it's Iran who pulls the strings and provides the cash, resources and weapons).

I have no doubt the attacks of 7th October were at best 'encouraged' by Iran, at worst actually 'ordered and planned' by Iran and it has shattered any progress that had been made between Israel and Egypt and Saudi, isolating Israel and disrupting the entire Middle East with ripples beyond no doubt helping the Russians as splits occur in the west and it's clear how close Russia and Iran are. The Iranian regime benefits just like they have done by supporting the Houthis, another proxy war force.

Hamas yes may have risen from the ashes of Israeli and Palestinian tensions but even they are being used to a degree by Iran to 'get at' Israel. The Palestinians are being used by Iran as well.

Would love to think this will end soon for the sake of all but without regime change in Iran I can't see it.

I'd see Hamas as the lesser of two evils, with Israel being the greater evil but do not support Hamas.

What astonishes me is that certain posters here support Israel. Israel are currently racing to exceed the atrocities committed by the Nazis in a per capita by basis. What the British did in the North is almost nothing compared to the scale of atrocities committed by the Israelis.

To me the posters supporting Israel are incomprehensible. How could you as an Irish person support a nation that has been torturing, robbing, raping, imprisoning and murdering the native population for 75 years?

I knew a Gazan very well and maybe that's the difference. I di not consider them human animals.

That does not mean Palalestinians don’t have a right to their own state. Vast majority of whom do not live in Hamas controlled areas. In reality the reason Hamas gained control of Gaza is because they were facilitated by Netanyahu to undermine the PA.

This doesn't change anything. Just virtue signalling by our out of touch gov, nothing new. Stupid twats should be more concerned about domestic issues.

The Irish government taking an active role in Palestine is to deflect from their own failings in at home. It's all ****-stirring to appease the mob who they are catering to.

It's cynical move from an utterly incompetent government. In fairness, I will admit that on the part of the Greens, they have always been pro-Palestine, so I withdraw the cynical label when it comes to them.

FG members were against recognition, they voted it down at the ard fheis.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41400922.html

The amount of Irish people across the web who think Ireland shouldn't do this because of MNCs is kind of remarkable. They think Ireland should just support the US and Israel's destruction of people and threats against the ICC because of money. Can they not should move to the US and deep throat their employers in person? Or better yet, move to Israel and block some aid trucks in their Dublin jerseys.

Israel is a country where around 8-10% of the population live on stolen land as if it's still the 1800s. They have different laws for people on that land with Palestinians going to military courts and settlers going to civilian courts. They routinely kill innocent Palestinians and this time last year, the world was condemning them for it.

Shame on any Irish person who supports an apartheid nation currently displacing and starving millions of people using bombs. It's absurdity that Ireland of all places has people in it who support this.

You mean the Arabs didnt attack Israel in 1948?

One can't have it both ways.

Advocate the creation of Palestine from the 1948 borders ala the UN resolution 181(ii) but then ignore the primary reason this didn't happen, which was the invasion of Israel by its Arab neighbours, which the Palestinians wholly supported.

This will not doubt be welcomed by those who were opposed to the timing of Simon's announcement. They can't cite it as a win for Hamas, seeing as leading Hamas members may have arrest warrants issued for them too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13450685/germany-arrest-benjamin-netanyahu-icc-war-crimes-isreal-gaza.html