Israel/Palestine Thread

Well they could start by making the slightest of efforts towards not killing civilians.
They could not level civilian infrastructure.
They could have paused the settlement expansion(Or maybe even stop) in the west bank so as not to keep stirring.
They could have let food aid in over the rafa crossing.

Of course Hamas could have not done Oct 7 but lets not pretend life was any bit decent or safe before this.

So the only options open to Israel were a.) do nothing or b.) Kill 35,000 plus and level the entire area displacing millions and creating a massive humanitarian crisis.

Its a war in a densely populated area, it's awful but people die and buildings get destroyed. Maybe Hamas, who are the government there, should take some steps to protect it's people? But they don't want to do that do they? They seize most of the aid that is let in and shoot people who try to get to it, they could not do that.

Anyway, a senior Hamas leader has put out a statement praising Ireland and others for their actions today so thats great. Maybe they should make a diplomatic visit and be welcomed with open arms? That would be a good look for Ireland.

Its kind of like if other countries started declaring that they recognise a united Ireland. Its not really the way these things should be done from what I gather

the total number of Palestinians in the region and especially the number of Arabs doesn’t disprove that it is in fact a genocide. And Rwanda was not the last genocide before this one, don’t reveal too much of your own ignorance all at once. Many others have occurred since and many are still ongoing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

it’s okay, I’ve been on the thread long enough to see your stance and that you are quite happy with “collateral damage”. It’s pretty a pretty disgusting stance quite frankly.

HAMAS should be eradicated but obviously the IDF is either thrilled to take as many Palestinians with them or is just the worst at any form of military intelligence. The damage being done the Palestine is deliberate and is designed to put them back into the Stone Age.

Thats the nub of it for ye isnt it. Hamas's crimes mean any response is justified without question it seems.

Isnt it great of them to also send text messages to a destroyed mobile network. And to kindly drop a small bomb on a civilian house in advance of levelling entire neighbourhoods leaving them uninhabitable.

It is possible you know for people to both deplore the Hamas attack and criticise the gross over reaction by the Nethanyahu regime. It is possible to hold more than one opinion at a time you know

What's your thoughts on the Israeli response, regarding the killing of women and children. Is that a similar brave military wing of the relatively newly recognised state of Israel. Its leader will soon have a ICC warrant on his head. Busy day for the leaders if Ireland and Palestine, the rightful recognition of the people of Palestine, a proud day for Ireland.

I'm not "happy" with anything. Its a **** **** situation

You say Hamas should be eradicated but the Irish government has basically gotten into bed with them so obviously don't agree. Hamas don't want a 2 state solution, they want Israel gone. That is what Ireland is seen to be endorsing with this.

You can't just go around declaring new countries. There is a process and I hope it can get started soon, for everyone's sake.

Intel and other US multinationals are closely linked to Isreal. Intel is investing $25 billion in Israel, confirmed last year. As I understand, Intel are currently considering a $6 billion investment in Ireland. Today may changes investment relations in Ireland, Spain and Norway. Norway have oil, Spain is a big supplier of car parts, medicines, food, wine, etc into Europe, plus tourisim as we know. They don't depend on US MNC's.

Late stage capitalism, where the world has to go along with war crimes because of international investments.