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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Meaningless how? Of course the intention was to win. It's no doubt tough to win down there in S.A and leaving there with nothing is really crap.

    There's no other way to look at this, other than we've dropped levels. Understood about the WC, coaching changes etc. It's not the losses, it's more the way we've lost.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Has Harry Byrne now gone injury free long enough to confirm that he's actually just not very good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Yep, I have. But then I watch the performance and am left with the feeling that the team is not as good. Obviously, next season starts better with the coaching intact etc. Leinster haven't looked as beatable before as they've looked this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    It seems to me that the team last night seem to have lost the cohesion that was a trademark of teams when Lancaster was there. The team certainly had the high quality players to win comfortably although Ulster also suddenly have been energised by the new coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yes.

    All the skills, none of the mentality or judgement. It’s a shame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,717 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Anyhooo,

    Last night and the absence of Ringrose means there are really only two selection calls for Saturday, whether it’s VDF or Connors and Larmour or JOB.

    I would go for VDF and JOB, it’s incredibly harsh on Larmour who’s been excellent but JOB just brings more around the park.

    Keenan, JOB, Osborne, Henshaw, Lowe, R Byrne, JGP, Porter, Sheehan, Furlong, Ryan, McCarthy, Baird, VDF, Doris

    Kelleher, Healy, Alaalatoa, Jenkins, Conan, McGrath, Frawley, Larmour

    Or swap Larmour with Connors for a 6-2 split



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The SA trip was not meaningless. The performance against the Lions, when at least 2 BPs should have been the min target, was pathetic. Equally I'm aware we had players missing against Ulster and Glasgow but the performances were also incredibly poor.

    I just don't think we look anything like as good as last year overall.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'll be as happy as anyone if it turns out I'm just an hysterical chicken little.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,834 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I'm working on the basis that, as good as we were last year, we finished trophyless.

    We're doing things differently this time, including harder fought wins, so hopefully this is the recipe we need to win silverware.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is such a weird narrative. Leinster have a final next week and have qualified for a home quarter final in the URC, yet you keep coming to this thread talking about the possibility of winning nothing this season, it's just…bizarre



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,637 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    How do posters rate Fintan Gunn? He was class at U20s so I'm very pro Gunn, but he's only played a handful of senior games. I'd like to see him get a good few games next season to really test him.

    Mcgrath wasn't good enough. He seems to saunter away from a lot of of rucks with ball in hand and completely signpost the pass.

    Foley's pass was lightning quick at times, before he was moved out of scrum half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    I think Leinster win last night if one of Ngatai or TOB didn't get injured. Luke kinda reminds me of D'Arcy about 10 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    It’s no coincidence that Harry byrne was also starting 10 for that lions game



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I get that approach though I don't really agree with it. Play that final 10 times and I'm convinced we win it 7 or 8 times. I don't feel thay way this year at all.

    Though it's a results based business so the proof will be in the next few weeks I guess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Ulster probably played their best game of the season last night and Leinster were poor and still could easily have held on for the win.
    I doubt anyone thinks this is the best Leinster team of all time but they are still very good and night very well finish the season with silverware.
    there has been a negative narrative since the World Cup with lots of people shouting that the sky is falling, the reality I think is Leinster may not be as sharp especially down the depth charts as before but actually other clubs have improved especially in the URC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    The attitude of some posters is that if Leinster don't win every single game, the season is a write off.

    It's utterly bizarre.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    What's bizarre is distorting things into this ludicrous binary nonsense that literally nobody has said or implied.

    You've just cut and pasted words from a series of different posts and posters like some 1980s kidnapper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Honestly the amount of comments about Harry

    Multiple coach's including the international coaching ticket have picked him, maybe people might consider full time professional coach's might have a better opinion on a player than some randomer on the web who seems to bear a grudge against a young player.

    TO me he done ok last night, that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    What a weird thing to say.

    I said one thing so not sure how I've cut and pasted words from different posts and posters like a 1980s kidnapper.... but.... OK.

    And honestly if you can't see the posts and posters who are going on as if the season is over or this season is a failure, or how this URC game or that URC game is the be-all and end-all of the season, well then I get I why you can't see my point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    …or, alternatively, it’s possible to be critical of Harry Byrne without it being a grudge??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I agree with you that Leinster are held to impossibly high standards. It's unrealistic to expect heavily rotated sides to continually win every game.

    However, that sense of expectation is something that the province itself has fostered throughout the years and any blowback they get after a defeat is self inflicted. The last few years of Lancaster's tenure there was an especially hard push towards perfection and winning every game to get a high seeding in the URC and Champions Cup.

    Now that we're losing games we previously wouldn't have, we're seeing some over the top criticism. But that push towards perfection led to us winning absolutely nothing, so I'm more than willing to see what our different approach under Nienaber brings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    The coaching staff missed a really good opportunity to see Foley play a full or near full game. A rarity. Why not put Luke on the wing? Foley was going well. And Luke has played on the wing before. As it was we learnt nothing. Other than Luke isn't good enough any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Luke isn’t dead yet.

    Just giving him a run before Saturday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    All the evidence, and there's a lot, suggests he's miles off the level required. He's a massive risk to us, that's the biggest indictment....he puts first receiver and those outside him under massive pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I’m not ignoring McGraths form btw

    Realistically would you pick Cormac Foley instead?

    Leo won’t.
    Foleys done ok. Recently.

    He's already 24/25 but inexperienced.

    6 starts ever?

    0 mins in Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    If I was Leo I wouldnt have given McGrath so many minutes ahead of other options this season when its beem clear for some time that he's done. And I'd have kept Foley at 9 yesterday.

    if all those were the case it might be quite an easy decision to select Foley on the bench next week. As it is, I'm not sure I would. Hand on heart, I believe we've no chance if Luke has to play significant part of next week, I can't say the same of Foley.....maybe only because I haven't seen enough of him!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Maybe if it had transpired that way I would be able to easily agree with almost all of that.

    Luke just turned 31 though. He’s not finished. Just not playing well.

    Would equate his form to Connor Murray of 2019/20, 2020/21. He was similar age (30) and way, way off his best. And playing just plain bad.

    Murray got his second wind in 2022. Still wasn’t the same player.
    And yes McGrath was/is nowhere near Murray level.

    I’m not trying to equate the calibre of the two players just the coaches faith they have in players with experience, trying to play them back into some form and also realising there isn’t an outstanding alternative.

    If Foley was better (right now) he would have played more than he has. 100%

    Fingers crossed for 70mims of JGP. At the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Luke was never a great passer, so that's gone worse. I think we are seeing a declining player and I don't think its going to improve to any great degree going forward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    You can't compare McGrath to Murray. Murray demonstrated a level miles above anything Luke ever did.

    You'd hope for a change in pecking order from next season but it won't change by next Saturday



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