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Would you be in favour of Migrant checkpoints in Northern Ireland? - read OP before posting

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  • #152
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135479#Comment_122135479

    This. Political concerns aside, migration controls along the Irish land border are not really practical; they would be easily evaded.

    During the war, when the British wanted to restrict movement from and to Ireland, they made no attempt to police the land border; they policed the Irish sea border. There were controls at Belfast and Larne, and people travelling between NI and GB were controlled in exactly the same way as people travelling between RoI and GB. There were no controls or restrictions on people travelling between RoI and NI. These arrangements were in place between 1939 and 1952. As you can imagine, there were strenuous objections from NI unionists, but the UK government ignored them. Quite simply, if there were to be controls, there was no practical alternative to Irish Sea controls.



  • #153
    zerosquared
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    IMHO it’s a non starter unless we want to give up our ambitions to reunite with NI

    Because the moment any checkpoints go up the Tories at urging of Unionists pull out of all sorts of NI related deals and scream “see yee are capable of creating checkpoints and maintaining a border on island of Ireland”

    So the first question people should ask themselves is “what is more important issue for me, migration or reunification”



  • #154
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136008#Comment_122136008

    It's a non-starter regardless because it wouldn't work - but you are correct it would also be deeply damaging for other reasons.



  • #155
    Beta Ray Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,998 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    It's incredible how things change over time.

    We've gone from a period where Rep of Ireland wanted no border checks and reunification, to the Rep of Ireland now wanting border checks and being very much less open to reunification. While to and extent, the same applies to Northern Ireland except Vice Versa

    It's the responsible thing to do to have a Border with checks. Many other EU countries do this. There's checks from Croatia into Slovenia and also from Italy into Croatia (Bari - Dubrovnik Ferry).

    Reunification will probably not happen, the South won't go for it if it's gonna cost billions upon billions. The UK is not part of the EU, we will have to have border checks of some description at some point in the future.



  • #156
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    This ruling by the courts in NI that AS can't be sent to Rwanda will mean even more making their way over from Britain and ending up down here.

    Some kind of checks will be needed but don't expect a Government on its last legs to make it a priority.



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  • #157
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136897#Comment_122136897

    Just go find an old NI Brexit thread and you can read there the absolute thousands of reasons why an enforced border is not going to be possible. It's an impossibility.



  • #158
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122137028#Comment_122137028

    You are talking as if the Rwanda plan is now set in stone, it isn’t. It will last just for about as long as the Tories have left in power, which is not very long now. So if these claims that a large number of asylum seekers are coming through the North because of this Rwanda plan are true then the Irish government has to do precisely nothing, because the incoming Labour government is going to scrap the plan as soon as they get in.

    Keir starmer - “There will be no flights scheduled or taking off after the general election if Labour wins that general election.”

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  • #159
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139717#Comment_122139717

    What politicians say and what they do are two different things, and even if we believe what Starmer said it will still be a couple of months before they have a general election which means the threat of Rwanda will mean higher numbers continue to arrive here through NI.



  • #160
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146801#Comment_122146801

    It is not just something that Starmer said in an interview. Labour has promised to scrap the Rwanda scheme and to use the savings to pay for a new border security command. It’s part of one of their six election pledges.The Rwanda scheme is a doomed policy of a doomed government.



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