Would you be in favour of Migrant checkpoints in Northern Ireland? - read OP before posting

badabing106

According to this survey, most Irish people would be in favour

What's says you?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13387261/Half-Irish-population-want-migrant-checkpoints-Northern-Ireland-border-slow-asylum-seekers-arrivals-Britain-40-want-Rwanda-style-policy-like-UK-poll-finds-new-Dublin-tent-city-grows.html

Mod warning:

Stick to the topic, which is in the thread title. If this becomes another general immigration/asylum seeker/refugee thread it will be closed

Augme

Has to one of the most poorly thought out ideas in a long time. It's no wonder we end up with the TDs we do.

Podge_irl

The bloody amnesia necessary to forget the long and difficult argument with the UK about how this was impossible…

Allinall

How do you recognise a migrant in order to check them?

Or is the question- “Should there be checks in Northern Ireland “?

Galwayguy35

Yes.

suvigirl

As someone who grew up all the border, absolutely not, in no way at all.

Its a different world now and anything that could even give rise to the possibility that things would go backwards? No. Absolutely no.

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

Makes a lot of sense. Just stop everyone, check their passport and only let Irish / UK / EU / US etc through. Anyone with passport of any other nationality would need to prove they are on tourist visa. Anyone without documents at all would be fingerprinted and turned back for the British to deal with.

Discriminate based on nationality - which any sovereign nation is allowed to do. That would get around fears of racial profiling.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104645#Comment_122104645

So you want a hard border on the island again?

Are you in the DUP?

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104722#Comment_122104722

People want a hard border to third world fraudulent asylum scammers. Absolutely yes. We can keep it soft for trading in goods and services.

Wolf359f

I thought the issues was with asylum seekers? Even with border checks in the north, as soon as they are stopped, they claim asylum and they are free to go on their way.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

People? I assume you just mean you.

How would you implement the hard and soft aspects? How would anyone know you weren't a third world fraudulent asylum scammer without stopping you and checking?

ancapailldorcha

No. If Barrett & Co don't like it, tough.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104667#Comment_122104667

Tough, the world has changed, again.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

What if all the asylum seekers just jump in the back of lorries then? Will every lorry have to be stopped and checked?

What if they jump in the boot of a car. Will every car have to be stopped and searched?

Ronald Binge Redux

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

Come up to Donegal and campaign for that. I dare you.

lmao10

The far right are pushing for this because most of them are getting funded by British far right lads with money. Most of the lads on the ground who haven't really been thinking this through are going to soon realise they are being given the run around by Orangemen.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104847#Comment_122104847

In what way? do you think the people that didn't want a hard border and border checks in 'their country' have changed their attitudes?

Do you assume that people who consider Ireland to be one country, will stand for being stopped by authorities 'in their own country' going wherever they want? 😂

the world hasn't changed that much for some people on this island.

Also, what's the point? It won't stop anyone claiming asylum, they will just do it at the border with northern Ireland instead of anywhere else.

Pointless exercise

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

Well, only for the protestants

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104916#Comment_122104916

You'd better learn to read the room and understand society. Your fellow citizens in this Republic demand change.

The riposte 'Brits out, everyone else in' to SF policy sums up well hardening attitudes.

Maxface

Checks should be done in the Irish Sea, go back to them and ask will they do that.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104954#Comment_122104954

😂 read the room! you clearly don't read the room in afraid. You wouldn't want to see the 'protests ' that some people will participate in if they cannot pass through the border without checks.

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104757#Comment_122104757

How are people not understanding this ? We have immigration checks at the airport don’t we ? Does that stop anyone claiming asylum ?

Esel

If the checks are to be done in NI, as per the OP…

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

so on the M1 with thousands of people moving every hour, how long of a delay do you want ?

How many border control do uou want on the thousands of border crossings?

Augme

You'd think for the passionate Irish flag wavers, a hard border with the North and blocking their fellow Irish citizens up north freely accessing the 26 counties with be a complete non-runner. Seems not though.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

Hey OP, what are these checkpoints supposed to solve?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105173#Comment_122105173

Almost as if it was never really about Ireland in the first place…..

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105173#Comment_122105173

It's been a great operation by the Orangemen to buy off far right lads and have them do their dirty work for them. Even Tommy Robinson was over and getting a heroes welcome. I'm sure they had a good laugh about that considering what Robinson campaigned for in terms of a soldier involved in Bloody Sunday.

Maybe certain people are just racist enough to join Orangemen and sell out but I think once people realise they've been played like a fiddle there might be a change of heart.

jimmyrusseII

I don't think the majority of economic migrants are coming in from the North, this seems like a cheap tactic to make it look like the government are doing something about immigration without actually doing anything, must be getting close to calling the election.

nullzero

We need to beef up our processes for reviewing these people's applications.

We should be assessing people within days not weeks or months.

A huge number of people arriving here are chancing their arm because of our reputation for being a soft touch, the UK threatening them with deportation to Rwanda isn't the catalyst for tent cities popping up in Dublin, this problem predates that and we all know it.

The waffle pushed by the usual hard line loons on the left here about anyone having a problem with packing young men into tents, being funded by the far right in the UK or Christian groups in the US or whatever other insane conspiratorial claptrap they're spouting today is getting preposterous now.

Yes the likes of the few real far right idiots in Ireland will see this situation as an opportunity to rally support but this isn't an issue based in intolerance or hatred it's simply an issue of pitting people against each other for dwindling resources and if we keep doing it, we will end up with a real problem with intolerance and hatred and it will have been brought to life by the very people supposedly working to prevent it.

Get Real

Not an option at all at all. To check for migrants, you have to check everyone.

Anybody wanting this, how do you expect it to work practically? Pulling in cars, trucks, busses. Enforcing a hard border essentially and causing traffic jams. Even if it was 1 in every ten vehicles, the slowing down and moving lanes of everyone else would be chaos. And how do you know there's nobody in the other 9? Pointless.

How can we have a common travel area, if we stop traffic and freight?

In addition, do you want checkpoints on the M1 causing havoc, when someone who really wants to could just walk down a random rural road, of which there are 100s.

Even if stopped, all a person has to do is say they are here to claim asylum, as they do in airports already. So it'd be purely for show to satisfy some weird desire of a few, and be a nightmare for every other practical reason.

REDBULL68

No more border on this Island, ye can stop the buses and trains in louth, won't make a difference, till the Irish, British and French reach an agreement they will keep coming.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058350551/would-you-be-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-in-northern-ireland

When someone uses a propaganda rag as a source of information it can't be taken seriously. Go find a proper source of information to start with and then perhaps understand why that will not happen, no matter who many rigged polls they make. But I do hope they keep up the BS because in the end they will learn the lesson that when you play silly games you will win silly prizes - in this case a physical border in the Irish Sea. Because that is the solution the guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement (EU, US, UN).

TheChizler

Witnessed migrant checks on the train from Italy to France a couple of years ago. The French police marched past all the white passengers straight to all those with brown skin demanding documentation. They only pulled a couple of people off the train. Would never want to see anything like that here.

JP Liz V1

There needs to be proper checks at every enter point into Ireland so yes I would be in favour for NI checks too

3DataModem

As much as I dislike the situation, I think the brits have a perfectly fair argument.

A bunch of lads arriving from the EU, marching through the UK, and heading back to the EU. They don't have any obligation to put a stop to this. We made our bed with the EU.

Of course we could still stop it if we wanted, but the brits know we have no desire to have a land border up north, for our own entirely valid reasons. So from their perspective it's "shrug" not their problem.

3DataModem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105220#Comment_122105220

80% of asylum applicants are coming over the NI border.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/04/23/80-of-asylum-applications-to-be-processed-within-three-months-under-new-eu-rules/

Actually, scratch that, it's 90%.
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0430/1446420-cabinet-migration-legislation/

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105397#Comment_122105397

You know how they expect it to work, they just don't have the guts to say the quiet part out loud.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105572#Comment_122105572

And how would border checks stop that?

considering they are claiming asylum

Majority of Irish people want a hard border where all people, and cargo are stopped and checked entering the South?

After all that was done to remove the hard border, we would be the laughing stock of the world. What do you think the Irish version of the Mexican coyotes would be called? The badgers maybe.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105572#Comment_122105572

How do people claim asylum?

What I mean is, what's the mechanism?

What do they have to do to claim asylum?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104904#Comment_122104904

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104735#Comment_122104735

There's over 300 crossings to northern Ireland. The only way to man them all with checkpoints would be to block the majority of them. Then build massive checkpoints on a few crossings.

Then check the 177,000 lorries, 208,000 vans, and 1,850,000 cars that cross the border each month. Just because you're not checking the goods in a van/lorry doesn't mean you don't have to check it for people.

And if a migrant is found, they can then ask for asylum.

So really what you guys want is millions to be spent, massive disruption to cross border trade and travel, so a migrant can claim asylum at the border rather than in Dublin.

Smart guys, really smart.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105570#Comment_122105570

Here's the thing: they do have an obligation to stop this. It's an aspect of the common travel area.

One feature of the CTA is that if I arrive in, say, Heathrow in transit to Ireland, I go through immigration at Heathrow. Once the immigration officer learns that I am in transit to Dublin, he doesn't ask himself if I am entitled to enter the UK; he asks himself if I am entitled to enter Ireland. So UK immigration officers apply Irish immigration rules. This works the other way around if someone arrives in, say, Shannon in transit to London.

Part of this deal is that if UK stuffs up and admits me when I'm not, in fact, entitled to be in Ireland, if/when I'm detected in Ireland the Irish authorities can send me back to the UK. The UK admitted me to the CTA; I'm their problem. And, again, vice versa if someone is admitted at Shannon and travels on to the UK, despite not being entitled to enter the UK; they can be sent back to Ireland.

So, yeah, there's a long-standing bilateral arrangement about this between IRL and UK. It's part of the CTA; it predates both countries' EU membership; it's unaffected by Brexit.

It operates with respect to asylum seekers as weill as with respect to any other traveler. There are a couple of extra hoops but, yes, if UK admits someone who travels on to Ireland, isn't entitled to be in Ireland, and applies for asylum in Ireland, Ireland can send him back to the UK to apply there (and vice versa).

Until now. What has happened in recent weeks is that IRL has started complaining publicly about the number of asylum seekers entering via the UK, and the UK has responded by saying they won't take back asylum seekers from IRL any more. This was an astonishingly stupid thing for the Irish government to do; right now the UK government has very little room for manouevre and absolutely zero political capital; if you pick a fight with them about migrants of course they're going to do the perfidious Albion thing; what else can they do?

And this is why the question of policing the border comes up; if the UK unilaterally terminates one of the agreed arrangements that keep the border open, can IRL still deal with an open border or does it have to accept that, despite everything, the UK can bring about the closure of the Irish land border?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105584#Comment_122105584

I can just imagine them traipsing across the hills of cavan singing their anthem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI

whisky_galore

People aren't stupid, they'll find ways around the hundreds of km of largely unguarded border. Unless you make it like North Korea / South Korea.

Just make Ireland unattractive enough as a destination for unskilled migrants. Job done.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105510#Comment_122105510

"All we did was export well educated kids who became captains of industry & pillars of their communities"

I hope that's a joke lol

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105443#Comment_122105443

Try as you might to (patently obviously) astrotruf this claim into reality, "hur dur, the people I don't like would approve of this so it must be the wrong course of action and my position should be in opposition regardless of the facts", is more of a lefty type 'broke brained thinking' thing. I could give a toss if 'the Unionists would approve' of this or not. A stopped clock is right twice a day. There's a problem and the fix is obvious. Refuse entry to the state to those that don't have a right to enter the state at the border.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105173#Comment_122105173

The majority of those passionate flag wavers do not give a fiddlers about the 6 counties, well except when they go up there for cheap booze and the likes.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106736#Comment_122106736

Engaging in a bit of stereotyping are we?

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106795#Comment_122106795

Someone engaging in stereotypes in a debate about immigration?

That's novel.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122106670#Comment_122106670

So you want to turn the clock back 30 and re-establish the border checks?

And how are you going to patrol all the back roads and fields that criss-cross the border? Remember, by the time these people have reached the South, they have already outwitted the British who had a head start on us, are more motivated and organised, and had to make their way in probably a few cases, across the English Channel in a RIB. You think dodging a checkpoint on a main road will pose an issue?