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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,724 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Says he didn't want to go to Ukraine and made this a protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,724 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There won't be one industry in Fascist Russia that's not stolen by the Kremlin.

    You'd be sorely tempted to burn all those planes, car factories, beer, food factories to the ground than let them fall to Putin. It's our culture boss to burn things than let the enemy get them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Lucky he died,I think as if he had survived they would have probably made him suffer further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It's not beyond possibility that they show up should the lines break, that contingency has been war gamed, there are NATO personnel operating within Ukraine whose roles are "advisory" i.e. intelligence coordination and equipment maintenance. President Macron of France highlights the European preference to wait it out and let the Russian economy collapse.

    Macron pointed out that while the Kremlin preferred to use the term "special military operation" early in its invasion, "now Russia itself uses the word 'war' and acknowledges it. "It has broken all the frameworks and has basically returned to a logic of total war," he said. He suggested that Moscow's war machine was not sustainable over the long term. "Devoting a third of its budget to defense is not sustainable for a country whose gross domestic product is lower than that of France, Germany or the United Kingdom," he said source

    The Russian regimes calculates they have a window to collapse the Ukraine front lines prior to November, they know better than we do what the state of morale in the Ukrainian army front lines is. The Russian army morale on the front line may be poor, it has to be propped up with brutality, it works for them, the drone videos show the Russian soldiers advancing and some getting wiped out, that's how they roll.

    Try figure out what EU and American political calculations would be in such case, having committed billions and used up inventory fighting Russia in Ukraine, are said politicians willing to entertain a ceasefire or switch from indirect to direct confrontation?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,910 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They are trying to knock Ukraine out before they run out of resources themselves. A bit like Germany at the end of the first world war a final push before the USA gets there in numbers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭threeball


    Could be right, but I don't see the need to make him head of the military in order to conduct an audit. Shoigu and Putin are both feeding out of the same trough. I'm sure like most mafias, Shoigu is kicking a cut upstairs to the boss. Putin is creaming off more than anyone else, I doubt he wants an economist doing a root and branch report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And not only will the Nr of deaths surprise them, the sheer scale of the destruction will surprise them as also!! Mile after mile and not a complete building to be seen, a land mined to the hilt, and filled with UXO's. Where you have to watch your step walking the streets in case you step on a bullet casing and lose your footing. Gaza still has a fair bit to go to match Grozny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Straight from the Kremlin factory of lies….. everything as usual, is someone else's fault, and its all the fault NATO, US, UK, etc, while ignoring the real cause and sole instigator of the war, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I don't think that Putin is afraid of any economist or any other civil servant or administrator investigating his affairs. The boot is definitely on the other foot with all Govt departments terrified of Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Smell of battle of the bulge off Russia with this offensive, all in or nothing .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    My point re- graft was mainly about getting their 5 minutes in spotlight since they most likely knew there is not that many shells laying around and whole shambles started to grow because as soon as they announced that scheme even those who had some increased price so much it was not feasible to do so anyway.

    If you want to do something like this you never announce it and brag about it in every media under the sun as it is counterproductive from business point of view. Not to mention that russians most likely knew where some of these shells are located and could and possibly did apply some pressure to potential suppliers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Aye. You are correct but then even though while that soup would not taste as our do, we cant even cook it without ingredients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Noise is all you get.

    Despite wishful thinking about how it would sort out ukraine problem it can not be done. It will go directly against everything we were told for years we have to do regarding refugees. It will create such precedent that all refugee policies would be impossible to maintain not to mention it is pretty much against every law, treaty and charter in that area.

    And the most important is that there is no way you could arm and make unwilling soldiers follow orders without risking open rebellion and civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,177 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Nonsense we are told repeatedly on this thread that “Russians are good people, and they don’t want war” and yet these unwilling “good” people are three years into the three day war of theirs, continuing to assault, rape and murder, and die in trenches and get blow up by drones as per video posted here, and continue to go to work in military factories with no sign of rebellion or “goodness” despite now becoming more fascist than the Nazis they so much professed to hate

    IMG_4901.jpeg

    Anyways back to current affairs, the last significant flow of money to Russia from US has been cut, the dependence was deliberately created as part of Megatons for Megawatts programme in 90s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,325 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    You should not have used the term "graft" since this means corruption/extortion/theft, money for some kind of political stroke.

    You have a point on secrecy, however Czechia is a democracy, and is not at war. Seems unlikely the scheme could be kept secret if they are spending any of their own funds (don't know about this aspect) and making public diplomatic efforts with other EU democracies to get them to contribute. Prior to this Czech scheme there was a failed EU level effort to have an EU fund set up to buy shells from non EU countries. A few of the member states blocked this (France, Greece, Cyprus).

    The things they seem to have been trying to keep under wraps are the other details (when, how much, from what countries), not that they have been trying to make it happen. I expect we won't be certain about success/failure of the effort for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,764 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Danish F16 coming in months. Ukraine probably won't do a summer offensive now with aid not arriving. Unless it's a psyop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Czech president also on record that first few hundred thousand shells will arrive over next 3 weeks

    BTW its interesting how pro Russia posters have projected their own experiences of rampant corruption higher up page onto the Czechians, that’s definitely a new dog whistle sound haven’t heard before

    Edit: Sweden now second country to ask to host US nuclear weapons



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,177 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Why would Sweden and Poland only host nukes during wartime? Would you not be better off setting up a deterrent now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭thomil


    Ironically, Sweden was quite a way towards developing its own deterrent in the 1950s and 1960s. The plan called for a full nuclear triad including a domestically developed nuclear bomber, missile system and even, according to some sources, a nuclear-capable submarine for use in the Baltic. Design work had begun on the Saab A36 nuclear bomber and the Robot-330 nuclear missile system, while the first generation of Swedish nuclear powerplants were designed to also provide weapons grade materials if required. The project was eventually stifled by increasing political resistance within Sweden as well as pressure from the US, and the plan was buried by 1968.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I don't understand your point. Is this not how conscription works? Citizens who are not greatly in favour of endangering themselves are called up by their state to defend it. They may be unwilling but that's the duty of a citizen. Otherwise there's little point in being a citizen of a state.

    The wider EU has refugee / asylum problems, it's a hot political topic in many EU states. Ukraine has a manpower problem in the defence forces. If Ukraine requests EU states to cooperate as regards repatriating Ukrainian citizens wanted for conscription, I don't see how or why EU would not help Ukraine. The issues dovetail with each other and can be solved simultaneously.

    Repatriating is the key word here - it's based on the word patriot and the patriotic duty of Ukrainian citizens is to defend their state as required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,910 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They could offer citizenship to asylum seekers to volunteer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,865 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    No EU state is going to deport men back to Ukraine in a scenario where they would be immediately conscripted to fight in a war. It's simply not going to happen for both political, moral and legal reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    those lazy dogs who fled need to go back and fight for their country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,690 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    You're right. We should re-patriate every Russian living outside Putin's grasp. Preferably armed and trained to over-throw the corrupt regime they've fled to the decadent west to avoid… /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What moral reasons do you refer to? Morality would suggest completely the opposite, it's morally right to defend your country.

    As for legal issues, if Ukraine as a sovereign state requests this from EU states, where's the problem?

    Politically, there are no issues. No EU government party is going to lose votes by assisting Ukraine in this matter, if they request it. Quite probably the opposite.

    I think you need to look a bit harder at this issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    @patnor1011 made a post earlier about how in west we are incapable of mass production

    Which is so hilarious as the military industrial complex was not one of the industrial sectors to have collapsed or outsourced to China unlike most of everything else

    Repeatedly we have likes the head of Rheinmetal saying that the problems are not capacity but simply lack of orders, and we seen how plants in US such as one in Pennsylvania already reached their monthly targets that’s were meant to not be reached by 2027, 6bn out of recent US package is for shell manufacturing alone

    But anyways here is a 50+ page white paper on Russia experts about state of Russian industry

    Here are key conclusions:

    IMG_4907.jpeg IMG_4908.jpeg IMG_4909.jpeg


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