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2024 Irish EV Sales

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,945 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭maidhc




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod Note: Bickering posts removed from thread



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,945 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    regardless neither are company cars, i can imagine as a current BEV owner if i had a PHEV id plug it in, i dont see the same consistency or discipline in ICE drivers that move across. they charge the odd time if they think of it but generally dont seem bothered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭creedp


    Might not be a massive VRT saving on EV as liable for 7% VRT over €40k. Would love to see the EV spec as in battery size and range. Must check what VRT currently applies to the PHEV

    A couple of years back I used to top up my poor L30 on an on street charger whenever it was available. As time went by access became rather unreliable due to a RR phev being charged almost daily. Used to annoy the hell out of me because due to degradation I needed a top up to get home. Thankfully no longer an issue



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  • Registered Users Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    Slump in sales really accelerating now.

    While the CSO car-taxation numbers show an overall decline of 16pc in new electric cars so far this year, the fall worsened to 38pc in April compared to the same month a year ago, the steepest drop in electric car sales on record in Ireland.The slump comes despite an overall increase in car sales in Ireland, up 10pc in April, with diesel car sales up 30pc and petrol vehicles up 17pc during the month compared to a year earlier.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/electric-cars-slump-further-as-diesel-sales-soar-cso/a1295933692.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,897 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not much of a surprise.

    Theres no disincentive not to drive diesel.

    Unless you're interested in EV and it suits your journey there's fewer incentives to move to it now.

    The govt and EU would have strict laws around battery health, warranties and repair and replacement to counter all the negative anti EV media that's been hammering consumers for the past 8 months.

    That's before you get into the price war and depreciation from Tesla price cuts and cheaper Chinese competition. Also the cynical pricing of Western products and buggy and poor quality products.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭sk8board


    to compound matters for EV sales in the wider market, it feels to me like a disproportionately high number of EVs sales to date are company cars or fleets - so many people I know only went electric because their company offered the option and they saved money in BIK versus their old Tuscon/Sportage/Kodiaq/tiguan.

    That’s a great reason to change of course, but I wonder what % of EV sales are fully private sales? The vast majority of ICE cars are fully private, and that’s who you need to convince to change to electric

    edit: the UK data for comparison:

    “Private car buyers have accounted for just 18.2% of new BEVs registered in 2024 so far, according to the SMMT.”



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The UK data for private sales split is as irrelevant here as it was last time you brought it up, lots of EV private sales in the UK are done via salary sacrifice schemes which fall under the non-private sale.

    Anybody with the possibility of purchasing via salary sacrifice would be nuts to ignore the tax benefits of doing so and instead purchase privately either via cash or personal finance.

    All we have in Ireland is conjecture on the private purchase vs fleet as numbers aren't published, strangely enough the narrative only became popular when the UK started its salary sacrifice scheme and UK sources started calling out the collapse in non-fleet sales.

    We may as well start complaining about the lack of private sales of bicycles because of the large number of company bikes due to the bike scheme.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,458 ✭✭✭✭ted1




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,897 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It wouldn't offset the depreciation unless you are doing a lot of miles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,458 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    People buying now aren’t experiencing the deprecation, people who bought before 2023 aren’t seen the same depreciation


    prices went up, people paid silly money.

    Manufacturers cut prices which greatly contributed to the depreciation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,897 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    All cars depreciate. I'm not so sure its over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,458 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    we’re talking about excessive depreciation that ICE don’t experience



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,897 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    40-50% in 3years was always the standard for ice



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭sk8board


    true, but irrespective of factual data, the point is still a pretty simple one - it’s very clear that people with any form of financial incentive to buy an EV account for a significant portion of sales. I include fleets and rentals there too.
    the beep beep data we have shows 9000 EV sales this year - fleets and company car registrations will be very consistent each year, whereas private sales tend to fluctuate with buying power.

    If EV sales are down as much as they are, it’s very likely that fully private sales are down considerably more than the average.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Poor compared to Norway policy. Or even France. Yes there's some support but doesn't match the goals or ambitions. Inconsistent with them. That's what I dispute.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    This idea that warranties, batteries and what not will resolve the situation is wrong. Its been discussed here back and forth. What I do agree with though is that education campaign by the gov might help. But in a country where people protest against water "charges" which are totally normal in the whole of Europe (it's similar to asking electricity to be free) including countries back in the 1970s which were communist... I'm not sure how such gov campaign would be received.

    Only two things help - affordability and sound gov policy (carrot and stick). The latter can also help with the former (see Norway and France for example). It's that simple.



  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Ev fan


    I tend to agree with you on the education front. Reading that article from the Irish Examiner on attitudes to EVS was depressing. There is a lot of ignorance out there which seems to be fed by the various news organisations. A national Govt ad campaign showing real live EV owners talking about their day to day experience of using an EV with no drama and explaining the benefit to their lives in running one. That being said if we could turn the dial to get better informed potential EV customers on dealer lots providing longer warranties on 2nd hand EVS would nudge the market forward IMO.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    The well is now truly poisoned through the combination of OPEC+Russia+Big Auto disinformation campaigns and on top by associated messaging by local vested interest (dealers), ideologues with a political agenda, and ignorant people suffering from change resistance. And all that is aided by click-baity media. It spreads fast and deep. I think a gov campaign could cause more damage at this stage given how people believe all sorts of nonsense conspiracy theories. It's now public "knowledge" that "EVs are being pushed" [by the gov/Illuminati/woke/reptilians/aliens/whatever evil entity you make up].


    Irish dealers will never want to inform anyone correctly about EVs. They don't want EVs unless it's an EV specialist dealer. It's a negative sum effort for them - it's a new tech, you need to learn new things, you need to change and in the end it makes you less relevant in the long term (EVs need less aftersale service). Why would you bother? Second-hand warranties are IMHO not going to happen for the same reason.

    The only thing that will help the market is volume. Much higher sales and a much higher secondary used market. In that situation, dealers will be forced by the market to act. And how do we get more volume? By government policy, especially when it comes to the fleets. The options are many - deregulation, tax credits, faster accounting depreciation, BIK, …



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    This FG MEP candidate is saying what I've been saying.

    ‘The government aims to have 180,000 EVs on our roads by the end of next year, and while public chargers are being installed by private companies on a continuous basis, the pace of this is behind what it needs to be, to adequately serve those who might want to go electric but don’t feel confident doing so yet because of a lack of public infrastructure,’

    ‘There’s been a significant uptake in EV sales in Ireland in recent years, but consumer confidence is dipping, and will continue to do so, if the government doesn’t work in tandem with the private sector in moving on with much-needed infrastructure,’

    Definitely commendable, but FG has been in the government for years, wasn't it…

    I like the "private sector" there. Not the ESB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    To be fair, the dipping is very recent after a boom year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Indeed, still far above 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017 etc....

    Only way to encourage people that don't want the carrot is a big stick



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    Love EV depreciation: Buying probably one of the cheapest copies of BMW i3 94Ah in Europe this week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,897 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    Yes, and I'm thinking this in financial terms: With the current depriation levels you are getting 80+ percent of new car performance for 25-40% of new price. I think we'll never get down to my record of 1% of cost for 80% of performance (in ICE) but this is very unlikely to ever happen again based on the inherent value in batteries.

    Now is a good time price to pick up reasonably priced used EVs at affordarble prices in my opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'd love it more if it didnt cost me nearly 20k on the model 3!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    You're still doing well compared to my '21 LR. But it's great time to be on the other side as a buyer. And the used EVs are total bargains now when you compare to same class of ICE.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver




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