Why I'll say no to a united ireland

You are some man for the flip-flop, Blanch. When anyone who actually lived through it posts, you accuse them of exaggeration, claim that it wasn't that bad etc etc....but when it comes to defending the sh*tty behaviour of the British, suddenly they were under tremendous pressure.

I'm not even going to address your Bloody Sunday comment beyond saying that is one of the most heinous, sickening things you've posted on here in our entire time interacting.

If we look at East Germany and Yugoslavia.....you'll note they have something in common. As for Francoist Spain, I'm surprised you're not defending it, sure times were tough and Franco was under tremendous pressure. Amazing he didn't murder more people really.

None of those governments are still in place, two of those countries no longer exist. The actions you point to are a large factor in that.....yet the Tories who presided over the Troubles are still in power and here we have Quisling types making mealy mouthed excuses and hand waving away their misrule.

As Ive already expressed my opinion on the PIRA, there is no need to try draw the conversation back to them; we're in agreement that they were violent criminals. I'll say it again, saying that the British Army weren't quite as bad as violent criminals isn't really the defense you think it is.

deflect and point anywhere then deflect some more rather than address what you are asked to address.

Sean Russell ( the IRA man who tried to collaborate with the Nazis in WW2, but who died in suspicious circumstances on a German submarine…seems like even the Germans could not or would not or did not use him, and the Germans were used to getting something out of many people from neutral countries eg slave labour ) could not have put it better himself.

Thank God that Britain and her Commonweath alone stood up to the Nazis during some dark days in 1929, 1940 etc and we can be proud of the hundreds of thousands of Irish people who volunteered to help Britain one way or another.

Says the person who never answers any questions himself. Any sign of you FrancieBrady answering any of the questions put to you numerous times? Still waiting on you to come up with a list of 5, never mind 19,000, explosions that the British were proven to be involved in. The IRA was responsible for planning, building and exploding 19,000 bombs, as well as numerous shootings, ambushes, kidnappings, disappearances etc. All you can come back with is "Bloody Sunday" and personal attacks against other posters.

As I asked you before, if the pIRA did not plan, build and expode 19,000 bombs during the course of the troubles, as well as numerous sniper attacks, shooting off duty part timers in the back or in bed, kidnappings, disappearances, in their failed effort to get a "United Socialist Ireland", don't you think community relations would have been a lot better?

At least Downcow answers questions and addresses issues.

Not sure what post you mean about "murdering scumbags"…please quote the post or the date + time I posted it and I will clarify for you if you want.

I am still waiting for you to answer my questions eg at 2.36 pm yesterday I wrote :

"Still waiting for you or any other Republicans to list even 5, never mind 19 explosions the British were proven to be involved in. Not much to ask for is it, considering "The IRA planned, built and expoded 19,000 bombs during the course of the troubles, as well as numerous sniper attacks, shooting off duty part timers in the back or in bed, kidnappings, disappearances etc."

As pointed out before, if the pIRA did not plan, build and expode 19,000 bombs during the course of the troubles, as well as numerous sniper attacks, shooting off duty part timers in the back or in bed, kidnappings, disappearances, in their failed effort to get a "United Socialist Ireland", don't you think community relations would have been a lot better?"

NB. Seeing as you mention the Royal family, far be it for me to defend them but after being reminded of IRA man Sean Russell who travelled to the continent and who died about a German submarine during the war , you say "Britain had their own cohort of Nazi collaborators did they not, including it is thought within the royal family". Please could you list, perhaps on a separate thread so as not to derail this thread further, out of 50/ 60 or 70 million British people, some inc Royals as you claim, who collaborated with the Nazis or travelled to the continent during the war and tried to work or did work with or for them? SF erected a statue to Sean Russell - did any traitors from Britain die aboard a German submarine or have a statue erected of them by a political party?

If "It was never about who could kill the most or who could set off the most bombs", then why do you think that the pIRA set off 19,000 bombs durings the troubles - over 99% of the explosions during the troubles - and why do you think Republicans killed considerably more people than any other group?

Ok for giggles I'll get involved in your extremely bizarre little game. Tell me a British traitor who died in a German submarine.... Is that your question?

I have absolutely no idea.

Does that mean I lose? But I don't understand what I've lost. And have you won? Well done, fair play.

I'll let you do your own research on royal family nazi collaborators, or British collaborators in general, we have enough cut and paste jobs from you on this thread without me adding to it. But if my memory serves me correctly at the highest echelon it is strongly believed that king that abdicated to marry the divorcee was a collaborator, should be enough to get you started...

Ill find that post for you.

Care to point to some examples on here of even the most rabid Republicans claiming the actions of the PIRA were completely justified?

Care to point to anyone claiming that the people suffered more than anyone else?

Your posting is the equal opposite and done solely to undermine and downplay the legitimate suffering people went through, for no greater motivation than to be opposite SF.

But your narrative is washing everything away.

Imagine people on here saying that the British/ Unionists killed or terrorised by the PIRA was grand because there were terrorists in other places in the world, mad there weren't more killed really. It would be downright badness.

I haven't seen one person say that, (though I dip in and out and could have missed it).

I hear people say they understand why the IRA came about and grew.

I have seen this falsehood peddled before certainly, but it is just more of the blunt trick you are known for - subtly (or not) altering what is said and then ranting about it.
Nobody used the words 'unique', indeed only yesterday I mentioned another 'mistake' the British made that resulted in almost 400 people dead in India. A pattern of such 'mistakes' across their empire of colonies.

Nobody has said that Ireland was 'unique'.

Ah here, I didn't realise you had succumbed to the victim mentality.

There is a scale with violence, there is a scale with oppression, there is a scale with everything.

Northern Ireland, and what happened there, is on a far different dimension to what happened the Jews in Germany, what happened non-whites in South Africa, what happened with slavery in the US, what happened with slavery in the British colonies. Only a victim mentality makes you equate Northern Ireland with those situations.

I am not denying the wrongs of Bloody Sunday, nor of the other wrongs committed by the British army, but a sense of perspective is needed.

This is a bit like your contention that Nationalists and Catholics should have just turned the other cheek until the British became democrats.

Nobody being oppressed or having their family friends and neighbours shot dead in the streets etc etc thinks in terms of 'scale'.
that is the most cockeyed rubbish I think I have heard in a long time here and that is saying something.
No riot or outbreak of violence, conflict or war was ever sorted by somebody calmly telling people, 'go home, the Jews had it worse'

You may not be 'denying' out loud but you are attempting to dilute what happened. It's nauseating.

Exaggeration and twisting followed up with more of the same.

In my few thousand posts, can you find a single instance where I've equated any of those situations with Northern Ireland?

As I said, your argument is entirely a fallacy of relative privation. Others suffered more, so you handwave away the suffering that did happen and express surprise there weren't more Bloody Sundays.

A sense of perspective is needed alright, but is sure as sh*t isn't from me.

Still waiting for a single example of someone saying the PIRA were completely justified or that the people of Northern Ireland suffered more than anyone.....a few short minutes ago, you were stating that it was constant, yet here you are struggling to find a single example?

That was debated a week or 2 ago, not sure why you are dragging it up again. Rather than de-rail the current discussion, set up another thread asking why our kids even this past number of decades have spent / have had to spend 2.5 hours per week doing religion in primary school here in the Republic : the highest amount of time devoted to a religion in primary schools in the Western world ( outside of Israel, if you call it western world). I am not surprised why many in N.Ireland do not want to be governed by the Republic when they see what 9 out of 10 kids here have to endure every day in primary school, indoctrination by the Catholic church.

Still waiting for that clarification you promised, directly related to a comment from you, but instead you are ducking and diving while moaning other people don't your play bizarre irrelevant games that you pluck from thin air. Time to sh*t or get off the pot @Francis McM

Apologies if I haven't answered, but your questions are irrelevant to anything I have said. I am not an IRA supporter, I don't believe they should have set off one bomb, let alone 19,000. Why are you asking me this??

Thanks for answering mine though, and murdering scumbags was your term not mine.

My questions were in relation to BM and BS.

The soldiers who commited BS were sent to Derry days after massacring 11 innocent people in Ballymurphy. They shot women, men, a decorated British soldier (who was Catholic), people tending to wounded, etc.

They were sent to police a civil rights march days later, where they murdered 13 more innocent people, unprovoked, as proven by Britain v extensive Saville inquiry.

The British gov refuses to prosecute those involved, and instead opted to smear the victims and their families who sought justice.

They refused to release who made the orders or who decided to bring that murderous regiment to Derry. They refused to release documents which have long passed FOI deadlines, opting to seal them for a further 50 years. They changed their laws so that those people would further avoid prosecution.

I am not speaking hypothetically, this happened and is happening. Now that you are aware, I'm sure you agree Britain's behaviour here is much in line with your "murdering scumbags" comment.