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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Unless there is a serious change in the number of independents running for govt, along with some form of Independent alliance of those candidates in order to form a cohesive govt, I dont think we will see any change in govt formation.

    It will likley remain FFG led.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Does anybody know how much capacity is at Crooksling and City West?

    The govt have cleared the tents again at the canal, but how much capacity is there at those camps and how quickly will it be eroded.

    I wonder if the IPO functions will be moved to the camps ultimatley, in order to stop numbers that cannot be processed congregating in the city centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Again — we always come back to the rub here.

    What do you do if the country to which you are forcibly deporting this person does not accept them? Whether it's a forced deportation under some revised version of the Dublin protocols to the EU member state through which the deportee travelled to Ireland — or you have definitively ascertained the deportee's origin country (if you can) — what do you do with them if that other country (be it Belgium or Afghanistan) won't accept or otherwise won't engage with you in the process?

    So I take it then you would imprison that person (notwithstanding the difficulty involved with imprisoning someone just because some other country wouldn't give us a dig out — so basically the person is being imprisoned on the basis of something they cannot control)? Imprison them for how long? Months? Years? Then where do they go after?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭joeymcg


    whatever. : "Imprisonment is hugely expensive last figure I can recall is 100k per prisoner per year but it serves as a deterrent and punishment to the individual and a protection to wider society "

    Well not only that but a prisoner inside for 1 year costing the state/prison service 100k or whatever it is now with inflation, saves a hella lot of money with them not being arrested for other crimes within that year. And I don't just mean arrest, its the wider cost of them stealing something/criminal damage they may have caused/medical treatment/reports for somebody they've assaulted/ funeral costs of somebody's death they played a part in/free legal aid they benefit from whilst under prosecution/social welfare payments the scum receive. All of that would be astronomical and yes fool me and you the taxpayer are the purchasers of those 'goods.'

    Build Thornton Hall fcs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭TokTik


    As far as I know it is illegal to make someone stateless under international law. You're one Bagum tried it with the U.K. but she had taken up Syrian citizenship so it didn’t work.

    If a country breaks international law, sanction them. Cut off all EU aid. Stop trading with them. Pull out peacekeepers in the region. Etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Meanwhile while they throw money out and waste taxes my elderly friend is waiting 26 hours on a chair in A and E . I want to cry or scream

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    I would second that you are engaged in misinformation

    The article is correct and accurate, no Irish citizen was subject of a deportation order

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    Actually I'm going to call your claim an outright lie.

    Only if you had not read the article could it be categorized as misinformation; so it's either an outright lie or misinformation.

    If it is the latter that would call into question all references you have posted and that undermines your credibility.

    If it is the former then you have proven yourself a liar and not just undermined but destroyed your credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Fair enough, we sanction them, cut off all aid, cease trading and pull out peacekeepers.

    So an already impoverished country with already potentially dysfunctional state administration and already in potential conflict situation is driven further into those problems. Result? More people leave. More people seeking a better life elsewhere. More people claiming asylum.

    We somehow manage to cut that country off from the world and somehow manage to prevent migration from there? Great. Then they flee into the neighbouring countries and start the process from there.

    Punitive measures against these countries sound tempting. A kind of iron fist hardline shutdown that puts some manners on them. But all we gain from it is one more exacerbated situation somewhere in the world that increases the demand for migration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We had a local councillor call by the other day. They were quick to point out that they were a true independent and the only one on current council. There is definitely an awareness that to be an independent in upcoming elections will be an asset in getting votes.

    Unless of course your name is Mick Wallace , he can feck off. Freeloading Putin lickarse.



  • Posts: 2,825 Brixton Sticky Owl


    Thornton Hall will probably get built when the Hate Speech Bill is passed. And anyone with a perceived slight will be turfed in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    If you deport a two and a four year olds mother in a raid, without informing the father, you are in effect deporting the children.

    The article makes it clear these small children were effectively deported and McDowell or the department have not challenged the account.

    I'd suggest you take it up with the established media outfit if you have a problem with the content or headline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,932 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 2,825 Brixton Sticky Owl


    I don't like to quote this fella but the craziness has to be highlighted. This is from this morning outside the IPO

    Also the absolute state of this. Taking away our amenities and standard of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,054 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Playing devils advocate, they probably don't have the time to clean, disinfect, dismantle, repack and reuse each one.

    But the waste is maddening while we are supposed to take carrier bags of bottles and cans to machines that spit them back out at us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭prunudo


    is it possible that bus is collecting applicants from ipa centre's and bringing to Mount st for further meetings or processing. Every morning, in Trudder, empty bus arrives and take some of them away. Then returns later in the day with people on board, whether the same passengers I don't know.

    Regarding fencing off the canal, thats ridiculous, closing amenties to locals while protecting these guys and giving in to their every demand.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i don't think they'd be sleeping rough if they were given all of their demands in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I don’t know Dublin very well. Where do you think this weekends city camp will be?

    3 weeks from tomorrow and it’s the start of the June bank holiday too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    They will not be able to fence off every section of the canal.



  • Posts: 2,825 Brixton Sticky Owl


    Herbert Park or Sean Moore. Maybe a bit further down the canal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    they can just move further up the canal, there's green space at either side all along it, or there's a park at wilton terrace, but that might be locked at night



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭prunudo


    On the contrary, they know if they sleep rough they will be looked after. In the meantime, normal citizens are treated like ****, have to foot the bill and expected to like it. And worst part, we're called far right for calling this bullshit out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,054 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    They've cottoned on they won't be accommodated if it's a tent scattered here and there, but if there's a shít ton of tents in one area, then that forces the hand of government to act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,365 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    who's being treated like ****? irish citizens are looked after when homeless too



  • Posts: 2,825 Brixton Sticky Owl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Nope, we get regime change. And a new regime who needs aid and money to keep the lights on and power in their hands.

    We’d probably be better going all 1800s on Africa, Western countries recolonising it and setting them up as actual functioning countries. To be handed back over in 100+ years when they’re established.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Garzard


    The whole fiasco is sickening to watch. And it's absolutely obliterating the housing market.

    Myself and my partner in our late 20's were renting for a short term last year and have since bought, thanks to our flexible, secure employments and modest savings aligning with the opening of a new housing development within our budget. I wasn't taking any chances on the day we viewed our now home however, and placed a deposit on it immediately. Most of the properties were already gone; a matter of hours later and we mightn't have had a house to view at all. Bear in mind that this is Donegal, which as far as my knowledge goes, was traditionally the last resort for non-local buyers outside the county up to recently.

    Reading posts like yours, I'm conscious every day that we're bloody luckier than most of our age group. Although it sounds ridiculous, it almost feels like survivor's guilt. It angered me hugely that our rental house was raised by €200 per month for the following tenants, another young couple after we left.

    Aside from myself, only one of my close friends was also in a position to buy recently. The rest are still stuck in their childhood bedrooms. Ditto for 95% of colleagues in my age bracket. Hardworking and honest people who've done everything right and get up each day with the best of intentions. Few if any, can look forward anytime soon to the special feeling of achievement and independence that comes with buying and creating your life home.

    No matter what area it is anymore, houses have become priced completely out of reach for young people. I don't at all blame your child for leaving; we'd more than likely be doing the same if things hadn't by blind luck worked out for us the way they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Semantics. We’re there deportation orders issued for the children? Yes or No?

    If yes, they were deported.

    If no, and we all know this is the case, you lied in your original post. Simple as that. The facts don’t care about feelings or ifs, buts and maybes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭prunudo


    irish homeless have never seen the resources or political will that is evident with this ipa crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Isnt this why the services and accomodation need to be moved out of the city?

    We dont have the staff to process the number of projected applications. Govt can process up to 14k with their new staffing levels, but we expect in excess of 20k applications this year.

    We also know that there is not enough housing to accomodate 20k extra people over 12 months, even if we were able to process the applications, which we are not.

    If large scale camps were built and included IPO processing facilities, doctors, dentists, mental health services etc, we might be able to get ahead of the numbers and still give people sanitary conditions while they await processing.

    The current approach of running applicants through the IPO office, when we know we cant manage the numbers, will only lead to tented camps in the city.

    Again, this all resolves aroun capacity management, but we hear nothing from govt when it comes to modelling demand vs supply of accommodation and services.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne




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