Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113991#Comment_122113991

That's me gone so .

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114028#Comment_122114028

I feel bad being on here. It's like I'm committing some kind of thought crime. It's like 1984. The novel, not the period in history with some decent pop music. 🤣🤣🤣

GetupyeaBowsie

Astonishing to witness another level of complete utter clueless response to this unfolding crisis.

Was reported the Dept of Justice & other government depts were alerted well in advance that many illegal and or IPA's were arriving through NI. The UK's Rwanda style deal wasn't anything top secret, for what nearly 2 years the idea was broadcasted from Whitehall and yet our government incapable of been pro-active to all the warning signs completely ignored it.

So far this week,
Attempts to move IPA folks onto other facilities a complete shambles resulting in tents reappearing around DC.
Bribing IPA folk to stay clear from certain leafy areas of DC.
Desperately checking every empty warehouse, building to accommodate the influx of people arriving in.
Protests and huge anger from local rural areas taking in huge percent per ratio of IPAs in small communities.
Government entering the private housing market, providing IPA accommodation.

Where's the leadership, planning, vision and communication from our minsters & top civil servants ?
Reading over many posts suggesting accommodation capacity is the driving issue here, No it's creating accommodation including lack of deterrents are attracting many people over the border.
It's a sad situation, nobody wins here especially when the issue isn't even declared a crisis to save face from those clinging onto power.

Imagine RoG and McAtee are feeling huge pressure, nothing I wish on anyone. They need to resign, or even muster up another approach to fix this crisis. Bumpy road ahead!

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113778#Comment_122113778

Page 637 is where it starts.

baldbear

I see Td Michael McNamara is claiming he knows migrants who have come from the UK via agencies in the UK who are basically trafficking people here. They are told they will have work and are giving the IPO postcode. Crazy if true.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113991#Comment_122113991

Sex offenders are placed on a sex offenders register. They are subjected to supervision. It only applies in countries where there is a sex offenders register.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113633#Comment_122113633

Employment rates for IPAs aren't specifically captured in Ireland. In place studies such as the ERSI one I've shared have looked at cohorts with known higher rates of IPAs, which indicate that the majority are employed.

Notably employment rates have increased significantly in line with improved access to the labour market.

This chapter has also presented a case study on African nationals and their labour
market situation. While previous research found a higher unemployment rate
among African nationals, the reasons for which were believed to be in part due to
the length of time spent in the international protection system without access to
work, new data indicate that the gap has now significantly decreased, with African
nationals and Irish nationals on par for unemployment levels.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114132#Comment_122114132

"The International Protection Office (IPO) takes the asylum applicant’s fingerprints, they are only checked against two databases, Eurodac and SIS, and neither is a criminal database."

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113991#Comment_122113991

No the Government and left loonies are calling anyone who disagrees with this blight as far right. Honest to god Irish people who care deeply for this country are now seeing it going down the shitter and they feel helpless. This blight is getting worse and worse and this government are doing absolutely **** all to stop it and in-fact making it worse.

This country has never needed a general election as bad as we need it now. Will a GE fix this mess? No, but they cannot perform as bad as what we see now.

The good thing is the Local and European elections are coming up, so voters will finally get this voice their opinion at the polling station and I hope we give this government some bloody nose

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114159#Comment_122114159

That's correct. But as I said sex offenders are registered and subject to supervision. In countries where sex offender registers exist. it's a totally different system.

We don't check ordinary criminal records for anyone entering the country, apart from visa holders.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114060#Comment_122114060

Think we are better off listening to the music !

This thread is unrelentingly depressing and people are posting some very apocalyptic stuff ..some posts might be true , others are just nihilistic and scaremongering

A lot of middle ground people too but get squeezed into one camp or other by others who cannot accept that people may not be in one camp or the other .

It just goes round in circles though .

There are few solutions except change the government .afaics.

emo72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113943#Comment_122113943

Food and shelter. Nothing else. That's it. If it's a tent in the Midlands so be it. Not many people can afford to live in a capital city in Western Europe. And that includes my kids, why the **** would an asylum seeker expect it.

angel eyes 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114098#Comment_122114098

Yes, I saw that. Crazy stuff.

I also read on x that immigrants are seeking asylum in the UK, claiming benefits they are entitled to, then getting the ferry to Northern Ireland, and travelling to Dublin where they lodge a separate claim for asylum and obtain benefits too and then back to UK to sign on and on and on l...

Now there is no evidence that this is taking place, it may be just X hyperbole but we know welfare tourism exists. I wouldn't have any faith in both welfare systems collaborating to mitigate against the risk of double claims, especially when immigrants are ripping up their IDs.

Just another problem that may need to be considered- and yes, I'm well aware that some Irish people are guilty of scams too but as I always say, we have enough of our own idiots to deal with we don't need anymore.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114020#Comment_122114020

17 million for 300 bunk beds is not value for money in any way shape or form. Not for our homeless, students or tourists. You are right though modular homes are not a solution really either - I’d suggest barracks accommodation in line with what is offered to enlisted service personal be erected and let that be the end of it with an element of detention while applications are being processed - to go hand in hand with speeding the application process up and removing /limiting appeals.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114098#Comment_122114098

It's on his YouTube channel, Simon went blah blah blah in response. And Helen seemed annoyed that anyone would dare ask a question in an almost empty dail.

Kind of reminded me of this ..

🤣🤣🤣

Oh, I'm not coming back to this thread anymore.

Bye !!!

Patrick2010

There’s no point in looking for a change in government policy, it’s clear they are committed to increasing our population for some bizarre reason, It’s not some conspiracy theory, just look at Eamonn Ryan and Simon Coveneys statements.

There’s no turning off the tap at this stage, you will see tents all over Dublin by summer. No point in building more accommodation, it’ll just fill up and we’ll never catch up.
There’s no political party I can think of voting for in the upcoming elections, certainly not Justin Barrets loopers, will probably vote independents

ooter

The taoiseach said earlier to Michael McNamara "I accept your bona fides in raising an issue that is important."

What a strange comment.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114238#Comment_122114238

What policies should they change though? they are not going to break the law. They are not going to back out of our ratification of the Geneva convention, so what policies should they change

hello2020

Thread running for 1 year with thousands of posts but does it make any difference to govt policy?

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114247#Comment_122114247

Maybe implement a quota and change the laws, whatever laws need to be changed as I suggested previously.

Here's the most recent figures.

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:fb0df131-1bc4-4d15-8512-41ed28e4632f

It seems like a bit of an issue when people are camping along the canal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114239#Comment_122114239

Harris goose is cooked over this. His first real challenge and he is handling it abysmally preferring to be playing his state diplomat role on the International stage instead of properly handling an escalating domestic crisis. That's before we get to the ructions in his constituency. The locals and Europeans will finish him.

And tbf, it was not the smartest move he made whatsoever taking up the Taoiseach role at this time. Awful judgement, his eagerness for it says it all about his competency.

It was the easiest leadership race he could have had because the wiser heads didn't want to be near it.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114259#Comment_122114259

it informs people so will impact votes

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114138#Comment_122114138

Teetered on the 50% line for three of those six years, with significant confidence intervals to boot. I have a suspicion the figure for 2022 is impacted by visas issued, the number issued to African nationals jumped massively that year. Report’s authors don’t seem to be going all in on the access theory.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114315#Comment_122114315

Any new Polls out for May yet? I wonder if the rise of the independents is continuing at pace.

Independents could well be the 2nd largest party by first vote preference soon, maybe even bearing down on number 1 by year end.

A sobering thought, but it is the way the wind is blowing.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114247#Comment_122114247

Consider adopting policies similar to those used in Denmark.

B2021M

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114306#Comment_122114306

Great post. The fact he wanted to be leader in this situation tells all you need to know.

Gen.Zhukov

There's a sort of poetic justice about the timing all the same - It's the chickens heading back for a bit of a roost about now

We're not quite at peak cluster**** yet - it's at about 82% CF just as we're getting into the local/EU elections

By the time the GE comes about, I'd guess we'll be at roughly 93% cluster**** levels. It's difficult to understand the depths of stupidity that exists with these complete morons and their complete moron advisers. The day of reckoning was always going to arrive but the cretins left it to Q3 2023 before realising it was just around the corner and panic set in.

When the Greens insisted that they must be allowed to end the raging fire of direct provision (by turfing a load of petrol soaked, oily rags onto the fire) or they would not support the formation of a Govt in 2020, FFG knew it wouldn't end well deep down but took the 'be grand' approach.

I bolded the 'complete moron advisers' above because that's where I think a lot of the problems lie. Whatever about the politicians being morons, one would think that the advisers would be a bit more in touch/smarter but it seems they're just as thick - Here's a very simple example - Catherine Martin's adviser saw no problem with Catherine hanging RTE's Chair on live TV - That didn't go well in fairness and as sure as there's sh!te in a dog, he's still there on a nice wedge paid for by us

Schadenfreude - it's not as bad as it's made out to be

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114247#Comment_122114247

Remove every single benefit above and beyond our “obligations” would be a start.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114352#Comment_122114352

Agree - The problem is they tend to reward friends, acquaintances and cronies into these roles and not people of proven ability with skills such as critical thinking, negotiation, leadership and policy experience.

Harris is the latest to make these mistakes surrounding himself right off the bat with media people. That tells me all I need to know. Very poor optics.

Same old politics. Irish politics needs a complete revamp and the culture around it needs to change. However the damage I fear has been done.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122114365#Comment_122114365

Did I read that he appointed Chris O'Donoghue as an adviser.. my recollection of him was as the wimp that Ivan Yates used to mock on NT radio.