Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Where is Russia flying planes from?? Sounds like a crazy story

I'm not entirely sure about the "nailing it" bit here, at least from the chosen quote.

In the first para, he is doing little more than describing a problem shared across the developed world whereby the protocols in place end up allowing asylum seekers to remain, regardless of the outcome of their application. I don't think anyone particularly disputes this. It's how you actually remove people which is more problematic.

To his point around borders — sure — there are people who think borders are bad. But they aren't really the body in power, nor do I imagine they ever really will be. The world is divided along borders and nation states and no parties with sizeable support are really pushing to change this.

As for his point around people thinking migration is a human right. Again there might be, but it sounds to me like he is ignoring the fact that (whether people see it as a human right or not), almost everyone in the developed world — left and right — at least desires to have the option and relative freedom to move abroad for what they perceive to be a better life. The option to migrate is desired by everyone — and therefore the existence of migration is perpetuated by everybody.

From the Middle East, with migrants from mostly Iraq but also Afghanistan and Syria.

If an AS is offered tented accommodation and they refuse, are they still entitled to the accommodation allowance?

The difference being those asylum seekers in less affluent areas are in accommodation of sorts .

You are not surely comparing like for like when you talk about an encampment in Mount St or now on the Canal ? No running water or sanitary facilities except the canal itself !

As I pointed out to you Ivana and others IN THAT AREA have pointed to the empty Baggott St Hospital which has running water and toilet facilities AND is not in Coolock or Finglas .

But instead you are trying to say that those people living around that area are somehow racist for wanting the very local hospital to be used to house these people ?

The community engagement team, like what is any of that even about?

We're going to unceremoniously dump some large amount of people in your small town that doesn't have infrastructure. Is that okay, now that we've communicated that to you?

No, it doesn't make any difference in the slightest.

Might as well be called the Shooting You In The Face Explanation Unit.

Id hazard a guess thats why all that has shrivelled up and blown away in the wind.

Where did I say the locals were racist for wanting to use Baggot St. Hospital exactly?

Let me tell you, converting large tracts of infrastructure to house migrants is not going to wash in this environment.

The optics of going to lengths never gone to before to house non irish people, while their own housing crisis is treated with the urgency of a snail, just looks terrible.

Were they to take that hospital, put money into to it and rapidly turn it around into acceptable, temporary, cheap but liveable accommodation exclusively for irish citizens, some form of basic social housing that could be used for some years so as the people ould actually save some money while working to escape the trap, now you'd be talking good optics.

But doing the opposite is oooooooooWEEEEEEEEE, that's some fire stoking stuff right there.

Somebody better get a grip on this spiralling situation like yesterday.

Iwana besick is being simplistic here. The Baggot street hospital is not suitable for housing. It's a cheap shot, cycling down on her cargo bike, to get photographed beside the tents.

She wasn't going to be upstaged by Aodhán Ó Ríordáin walking through the tents at Mount Street…

The optics are terrible. Creating accommodation for non-irish people, while doing sweet fukk all for irish people in the worst housing crisis ever known is just beyond words.

Not only are the optics terrible, the practicality is even worse. Were they to repurpose yet another large piece of infrastructure, it will be filled overnight, and the next morning another migrant camp will appear. The epitome of fruitless.

Looks terrible, is terrible.

do they not have lots of irish people in hotels etc.? is that not better than refurbished offices etc.?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/coveney-vows-to-end-hotel-use-for-homeless-by-july/35536062.html

Doesent factor in the ratio of unemployment of our new welfare tourists either.

Another example is the HSE budget modelling.

All our state economic modelling is now garbage in garbage out. It was based on a society that is not the reality anymore.

You can't have an open border welfare state. The Swedes and the the UK are finding out the hard way but well on the way to rectifying it. We are going straight off the cliff.