Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112688#Comment_122112688

well you're saying they're doing zilch for irish people, but if i was experiencing hard times and they put me in a hotel, i'd be pretty happy with that as i've had to live in some real sh*tholes over the years.

also i'm not sure they're going to make places exclusive for irish citizens, not really fair on non irish who have lived here for years paying taxes, those people are entitled to go on social housing lists too and you'll find plenty of foreign people on social housing lists as they do many of the low paid jobs these days.

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112717#Comment_122112717

Just isn't going to wash.

Nobody is going to stay in a hotel for the rest of their life happy as Larry. Rather, they're likely to lose their shyt after some years.

And I don't doubt that the dopes in government are ever going to make irish exclusive accommodation, despite the ever worsening conditions. You're right.

And that, again, is precisely why I expect violence and disorder.

You cannot have a void between "this must happen" and "can't do anything" and expect rosey outcomes.

We'll be debating next year about the even bigger increase in racial crime, as seen in headlines today, even less housing availability and affordability, even bigger marches, more outbursts, bigger migrant camps and goddamn we all know the list by now.

I know exactly what you're saying, and I believe it too. The difference is that I see that as the exact reason for violent discord.

The equivalent of turning up to one of those marches with a megaphone and telling them, hey, that's just capitalism bro. You're expecting them to put their placards down and their anger will subside and theyll go home and never think about it again.

Goddamn it ain't going to work out that way.

ooter

They just said on drive time that one of the recent arrivals they spoke to said they came in from Cherbourg in a container.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112750#Comment_122112750

capitalism is the main reason we have different nations living and working here now, i thought the patriots are only against asylum seekers?

you just seem hellbent on their being violence and disorder, good luck with that, mr obvious re-reg

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112777#Comment_122112777

Look, you might not like the truth of the matter, but surely you see what's coming. It has nothing to do with me, or you, and it's nothing personal nor is it predicated on opinion.

Ask yourself this, in a years time, do you expect,

Smaller marches or bigger?

Fewer migrant camps or more?

Less racial violence or more?

More, cheaper housing, or less, dearer housing?

And so forth.

The reality of the situation is clear and this is going to play out in the most likely manner, not the most desirable manner.

That's all I have to say really, spelling out what everyone else surely must acknowledge to some extent already.

You say nothing can be done, I say that's the exact problem. Nothing to argue about.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112468#Comment_122112468

"You understand that residents from Ballsbridge are generally from a higher socio-economic group, and would likely include senior civil servants and Lawyers? And that they don't always want to widely publicise legal actions for fear of being labelled "Far right" so the comprehensive details you are looking for aren't easily available?"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122111422#Comment_122111422

Where did I say YOU SAID ?

But you are certainly implying less altruistic motives in the above .

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112551#Comment_122112551

It is more suitable than many other places mooted.

Just because you don't like Ivana Bacik does not make what you say true .

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112836#Comment_122112836

Supposing it was converted and then filled in no short order.

We all know there'll be another encampment starting the next day, and growing every next day.

What then?

Goldengirl

@iamwhoiam maybe not .But she has and so have others been suggesting this for a while .

On the subject of homelessness I agree that more attention is now being given to the subject than ever was over the last decade when do many were crying out for decent accommodation

However there are people sleeping rough who for various reasons refuse a bed in a hostel for example.

It would have been nice if the government had done more to give proper accommodation to these people ,like the modular housing being built for asylum seekers .

ShamNNspace

There are new notices up in the ipa office offering an increased payment to anyone moving their tent from the city centre... This is unbelievable on the hoof policy making... Clownland, what a f****ng mess

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112853#Comment_122112853

it would be nice, but the people on the streets were counted at 91 people in dublin a couple of years ago, before this asylum seeker mess. those people would require far more help than just a roof over their heads, basically constant supervision and help, as they are addicts and have severe mental health problems. we are a long way off providing that to anyone, refugees present or not.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112866#Comment_122112866

what payments being made currently and what is the increase?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112685#Comment_122112685

Parts are but a good portion has been used by the HSE in recent years .

HSE don't want to do any more with it because the parts that need refurbing are listed.

There is a good chunk ready to be used with more sanitary conditions than the tents on GC and it's near the city

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2024/04/04/former-baggot-street-hospital-on-state-register-for-disposal-says-hse/

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112631#Comment_122112631

Ah that's not bankruptcy!

Many countries worse off with an older population than us .

Germany for example.

And UK is really staring down that barrel .

Thelonious Monk

Baggot St hospital would be ideal really, in D4 and a few minutes walk from the leafiest part of Dublin, at least it would please all the why aren't they in D4 crowd for a while

flancmange

Numeracy is at an all time low in this country judging by the state of affairs.

Probability, prediction, trends, finite versus infinite, there are many people that just seem to not get it. Or don't won't to get it.

A failure of education and instilling of critical appraisal, what else can you say?

Itll all be perfectly fine, they say in furious anger as they snap the calculator in half.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112876#Comment_122112876

Edit 👆... From what I gather it's €113.80 pw if no accommodation is provided..these signs were mentioned on Drivetime there but they didn't mention the top-up amount offered

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112874#Comment_122112874

I agree .

Many reasons why those 91 people refused help .

Don't think it's really the fault of Ivana Bacik except she is unlucky enough to be focussed on for a bit of bashing !

Damned if she does and she doesn't 😁

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112898#Comment_122112898

And then after that would be filled, and the next camp begins growing, what's next?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112551#Comment_122112551

I've been inside that building when it was used for HSE clinics. It could be renovated into a direct provision centre. She's been calling for that for I think 2 years. She's dead right. It can and should be used.

ooter

The Lord mayor of Dublin has just been on drive time and it honestly sounded like a sketch on callan's kicks.

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112930#Comment_122112930

And after it's filled, and the next camp starts growing daily, what's next?

ooter

If the tents weren't in ivana's constituency we probably wouldn't be hearing a peep from her.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112898#Comment_122112898

But no, they are not pleased with the suggestion for various reasons ..

Bacik (the cheek of her ,!) suggested it ,

too derelict in parts , for refugees

On the pro side ..

Not wanted by anyone

.Residents ok with it .

Nobody being put out of a hotel room

It seems like an ideal , fast fix , not too expensive , temporary solution to an urgent need to me anyhow .

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112952#Comment_122112952

What would it fix, exactly?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112945#Comment_122112945

No probably not , because it would be another TDs responsibility then 🤔

So Bacik being bashed now for saying something and trying to help in HER OWN constituency ?

Mad stuff going on here .

flancmange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122112945#Comment_122112945

To be fair, the government didn't even acknowledge the migration problem existed until people started losing the rag.

Not exactly the mentality required for a leadership position.

Viscount Aggro

Mad stuff?

What, who does she represent?

The minority are not the majority.

Michael McNamara has stated in the Dail that traffickers are promising work and giving the Eircode for the fella with work as IPAS.

Taking the absolute piss.

ooter

The more cynical would suggest ivana is worried about pissing off her potential voters so has to be seen to be doing something about it.