Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

This conversation starting when you queried what protections Leinster had VS foreign clubs specifically ones that have similar talent rich environments.

I'm not certain that it would make other provinces better than leinster (although i suspect it might be better than now) but it would definitely weaken Leinster. It would be very hard to keep key depth, especially in a low NIQ environment.

When did i advocate for this system or say it wasn't flawed?

But, for about the fifth time now, it’s not an actual significant protection. Other provinces can still lure away young talented players by offering a full contract instead of an academy deal.

There is zero argument it would make “other provinces better than Leinster” - none would be able to poach all of Leinster’s talent and presumably in your bizarre hypothetical Leinster would also be able to pursue the talent from the other provinces too.

This plan you’ve suggested, per your own posts, would just dilute the quality of Leinster as a European contender (but probably wouldn’t improve the other three enough to make them European contenders - therefore reducing overall cash inflows to Irish Rugby). It would cause a lot of Irish players to earn less money and a lot more to leave Ireland - neither of which is a desirable option. It would dilute provincial identity at the other provinces (and therefore accordingly fan buy-in).

It’s a genuinely ill-considered and nonsensical proposal and one the IRFU would never countenance. The provinces themselves (including Ulster, Connacht and Munster) have consistently voted to retain the current model, and they’re doing that from a significantly more informed place on all of these variables than you are.

It would dilute the quality of Leinster as a european contender?

So the protection does help Leinster vs clubs with similar talent bases. Which was our original argument. THANK YOU.

It only took a few hours but seriously that should have just been a given.

I swear to god, some **** reading comprehension.

Or do what you do where you convinced yourself that i'm suggesting a whole different system when i didn't?

Or that i said it would magically make ulster better than leinster? Which i didn't.

You asked what protections Leinster have vs clubs sitting on similar talent rich areas.

That's the protection. I'm not sure what else to tell you.

A normal player market isn't some crazy hypothetical. That's the reality for those other clubs.

I have no idea why you made this into a big deal. This is a SELF EVIDENT advantage.

Maybe… or maybe i say something extremely obvious like 'player movement restrictions in ireland are an advantage for leinster vs big clubs overseas' and people drive themselves into a FRENZY arguing about other things.

Edit: but yea fair enough, let's leave it here.

Oh my **** god. You asked what the protection is vs foreign clubs with talent bases and i told you. Which you already recognized would weaken Leinster vs european comp if lifted.

Now you aren't even arguing that any more. You are just psycho analyzing me for some reason.

Ok, i'm out. Have a lovely day.

Edit : also just to be clear. I don't mean leinster players are money hungry or whatever. I just mean free markets effect player values especially at the top.

I'm not saying guys don't want to play for their province. I'm saying that the only real way to sway some people away from that is probably to outbid leinster or ulster or munster or connacht.

People are taking this very black and white but i honestly don't think its that controversial.

If there is a rule against that, which popular perception says there is, that's why its there. To stop bidding wars to get guys out of their province. Which is a good thing, but is still … an advantage.